Friday, February 3, 2012

Bowen and Angiolini - Ten Years Together

We have received detailed and prompt information from the Northern Lighthouse Board, which is to its great credit.

Sheriff Principal Edward Bowen and Elish Angiolini DBE were together on the board for ten years, leaving it within 24 hours of each other in 2011.

A more blatant conflict of interest on Bowen`s part could scarcely be imagined, yet the sheriff declared nothing about his acquaintance with a key cited witness for the defence.

This is yet another example of the degree of the corruption that lies at the heart of the Scottish justice system. Due to the nature of the charge, a summary offence, any sheriff in Scotland would have been qualified to adjudicate on my case.

Why then was Bowen, of all people, chosen, and who selected him for the task?

220 comments:

  1. More collusion and connivance via the "old pals act" between Bowen and Angiolini.

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  2. Can you not appeal your conviction robert based on this evidence ? or get a new sherriff to sentence you ?

    good luck robert

    andrew peacher

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  3. Were they remunerated for their service?

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  4. Robert, you can appeal about this, its disgusting. This is so obviously conflicted, these people need to be hauled over the coals for what they have done. Keep strong. xx

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  5. In answer Zoompad's question;

    'Is Anne also being prevented from attending Roberts trial?'

    I have no idea if she is being prevented from attending but I doubt she will be there, but I would imagine there will be a message of support for Robert from her on holliedemandsjustice.org.

    Carl of course will not be there, he prefers to keep a VERY low profile.
    He is probably right now googling up some Sun Tzu quotes with which to impress us.

    Ian Parker-Joseph was once Michael Heseltines business partner you say? Interesting

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  6. Michael Heseltine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Heseltine


    Michael Heseltine was born in Swansea in Wales and is a distant ... graduating he built up a property business in partnership with his Oxford friend Ian Josephs.


    Ian Josephs Michael Heseltine

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  7. "Carl of course will not be there, he prefers to keep a VERY low profile"

    Then it's about time he stepped forth into the limelight!

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  8. Well well well Zoompad thank you for letting us know.

    Please do keep us informed of any other interesting research you may find out about Ian Parker Josephs, Carl Sims and/or Namaste Publishing UK

    Interesting too, while these (largely anonymous) writers of holliedemandsjustice.org are gloating about how many hits their website is getting, Robert is facing a CUSTODIAL SENTENCE

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  9. Well I was blocked from going onto Roberts site for between 6 to 9 months, and I kept moaning and moaning on Facebook about it, someone told me that the reason I had been blocked was because I am a pest. But I knew Robert wouldn't be the one who was blocking me, because I am not a pest at all, I am a survivor of the Staffordshire Pindown child abuse regime, and I think the reason I was blocked was because of what happened on Mothers for Justice, and the fact that John Hermming and Ian Josephs were on there, letting me get verbally abused by paedophiles from the Operation Ore investigation and members of the BFMS and FACT and other organisations that defend paedophiles. They called me a nutter and a religious bigot on there and the abuse went on for 2 years, and it was because I kept posting about Richard Gardner and Ralph Underwager being paedophiles (which they were) and the paedophiles and the corrupt secret family court lawyers were as mad as hell about it. Robert knows all of this because I told him, I told him what John Hemming did, and why I dont like him. I have copied (screen saved) the evidence several times and I have gone to the woods nearby and dug some holes and buried them so that if my house and computer get raided (as they did one day) they wont be able to destroy the evidence.

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  10. I dont think Ian Parker Joseph is the same man as Ian Josephs. I dont know if they have anything to do with each other. I have looked at a photo of Ian Parker Joseph and he has a bit of a beard and a different looking face, he doesnt have a creepy crafty face like Ian Josephs. Ian Josephs looked really embarressed when I said hello to him at Stafford. I didnt know he was bad at that time, although he was there letting me be bullied, I didnt realise at the time who all the bullies were, that they were Orees. I hadnt read the book then, The Appalling Vista, that was before I read it. I thought the people I was talking to on that website were just ordinary families, and I thought they were just being a bit selfish, wanting to you a syndrome that a paedophile had invented. It was terrible going through all that abuse for 2 years and I wanted to give up but I couldnt. They attacked me for praying as well, and they had got onto the admin - they tricked the lady who set up the site, who was paying for the site, and they threw me off, for being a broken record and a religious bigot, but she got me bvack on. She had 5 computers hacked and made unworkable by them hacking, she didnt realise, she thought they were helping her, they offered to help her and she let them, one of them was Paul Randle Jolliffe. He is in big trouble now for a sort of telephone company fraud. He is pretending to be a Christian lay preacher but I know for a fact that he hates God because he called me a bigot for praying for the families who are going through the secret family courts. I think of all the horrible things he has done him pretending to be a Christian lay preacher is the most revolting. They didnt realise the lady who set up the site is also a Christian, and neither did I, and thats why she didnt let them throw me off for praying and exposing 2 American paedophiles!

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  11. I think you twigged something was amiss a while back Zoompad ... it is possible to contact Carl Sims through his Namaste Publishing email address if anyone wants to raise any concerns directly with him.

    That is smart thinking Zoompad, always back up your evidence.

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  12. I think I will give his site a wide berth, because the last thing I want is any more of his frisky Trojan horses gallopping back onto my lovely cleaned computer!

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  13. I just hope Anne maybe makes an effort and be there for Roberts sentencing ,she owes him that

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  14. Its not Annes fault that Robert is being persecuted. Robert wouldn't see it like that, and I don't think he would be wanting to make Anne feel as if she owed him anything. Robert got involved in Hollies case because its so utterly disgusting what happened to Hollie and Anne.

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  15. Hmmm, 10 years together.....did they 'have' any kids? Lighthouses are very remote places, and remotely operated!

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  16. I couldn't be at Ex Senator Stuart Syvret's trial, or even visit La Moye jail, and that really gutted me, because it was for people like me that lovely brave wonderful man was put into jail. But my duty lay in looking after my family, after all the vile persecution of the Secret Family Court I don't want to give any excuse for those criminal gangsters to set Social Services maliciously onto me again, and me whizzing up to Jersey just wasn't a good idea in that respect, much as I would have loved to support Stuart. But Stuart knew that, and he doeasnt blame any of us Pindown/Grand Prix survivors for his incarceration, we all know the people who were responsible. I am sure that all Robert has in his mind is the welfare of Hollie Greig, and Anne Greig is a good mother/carer and will always try to put Hollies welfare first.

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  17. I DIDNT SAY SHE DID ZOOMPAD ,but I think it would be nice if she did,not too much to ask is it?

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  18. She's had the Court of Corruption oops I mean Protection set on her. looking for any excuse they can to get Hollie taken away into a "Place of Safety". All Robert will be wanting is to keep Hollie safe, he already knows how grateful Anne is for everything he has done for her and Hollie.

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  19. Unfortunately not the case Zoompad, Robert and Anne are almost completely estranged from each other. Carl Sims does not allow them to meet unless he is there and as I've said previously, Anne is not allowed her own email account. Carl sends out emails signing them 'Anne'.

    Carl Sims is a very difficult person to get along with, he is extremely paranoid, argumentative and somewhat lacking in social skills. I believe Robert has tried his utmost best but Carl Sims has caused this campaign to breakdown. I sadly do not know the future for the Hollie Greig campaign

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  20. Well, I'm going to pray for them all then. I don't know what else to do, sometimes thats all a person can do so thats what I will do.

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  21. I'm going to say a prayer online, that way if anyone else wants to they can join in. I'm not being a religious bigot by praying, I'm just being a Christian.

    Dear Lord Jesus,

    You've seen everything that has been going on, and we anly see a part. You know who is good and who is bad. Please will you look after Hollie and Anne and Robert, and not let Hollie get any more persecution from the Court of Protection people, and let her not be hurt by bad people any more, and please will you not let Robert go to prison, but make it so that he can clearly see what has been going on? Lord, child abuse is evil, and court corruption is evil, and when David was a shepherd boy he used to play his harp and sing, making up songs, and still carried on doing that all through his life, at least while he was an outcast, when King Saul was trying to kill him, and he made Psalm 37, which is a really great song, still very relevant today, also Psalm 35 and 36, and those psalms will have to do as my prayers for Anne Hollie and Robert, as I cannot put what I want to say to you any more eloquently than your servant David. I also want to pray for the ones who have either plotted against Hollie Anne and Robert, and those who haven't exactly plotted against them, but winked their eyes at criminal behaviour and let them get persecuted, and I hope those ones will also read those song lyrics, and their hearts be smitten with those words, in particular Psalm 37 v 14 and Psalm 36. Thank you for hearing my prayer dear Lord Jesus.

    Love Barbara xx

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  22. PLEASE NOTE MARK AND EVERYONE IAN JOSEPHS AND IAN PARKER-JOSEPH ARE 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!

    Ian Josephs is the erstwhile friend of Michael Heseltine,

    Ian Parker-Joseph is our friendly web-hosting supplier.

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    1. Well that obviously can't be true now can it? ;-) Not when they have the same first name surely? I mean the fact that they live in different countries is just a rouse surely??

      By the Way Belinda... How is Delores Kane? Have you heard from 'M' lately? - Oh wait a minute that's probaly me? Am I 'M'? Are you Delores?

      Oh dear! - It really is just a load of old cobblers really innit?

      What I really want to know is WHERE THE HECK IS MY ASTON MARTIN? - And my jetpack! AND my exploding pen!!

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    2. I think that sort of sarcasm is very offensive, stupid and uncalled for, seing as to how MI5 have been active in trying to cover up institutional child abuse. I realised it wasn't him as soon as I saw his photograph. Incidentally, I haven't seen a photo of you yet Matt, and would love to see what you look like!

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  23. Really? - I think that sort of sarcasm is really fitting... In fact Ithink it's tame...

    We're never likely to Date Barbara so what I look like isn't your concern! And don't you EVER take the 'high moral tone' with me after the damage YOU have done with your idiocy!!!

    What's offensive is people like you who will readily condemn people based on what? - Because I happen to have the same name as some guy who lives in another COUNTRY? - Go have a look at my Blog Barbara - ferret around; you'll find as good a photograph as you're going to get of me... And you'll also find that my background is checkable...

    - But that's too much like hard work isn't it! - The facts don't fit with your fantasy - so you dismiss them!

    The reason for my elusiveness being that I HAVE a 15-year old daughter to worry about! And that when you spend your time unearthing the activities of dangerous people you really don't want them taking it out on your kids... So frankly Barbara; I couldn't give a flying F*** how 'offended' the likes of you with your childish stories and paranoid delusions are...

    It's BECAUSE of people like YOU that Hollie's case REMAINS unreportable!! - Only last night I had one of the 'antis' - One of Daly's mates on the phone GLOATING at how all these nutty stories proved just what a bunch of loonies Hollie's supporters are...

    Almost two years of working to persuade people in influential positions in the mainstream media that Hollie's case WAS worth of investigation, that there IS some 'fire' causing all this smoke...

    Go to bed Barbara and just have a THINK about the damage you and your cronies have done! - And you have the CHEEK to call yourself a Christian!!!

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  24. If you had been subjected to a fraction of the creepy frightening treatment that us Pindown inmates and institutional abuse victms have been you would have thought very carefully befre touching a single key of your computer and postin g the above.

    I do have mental health issues, and so it is very offensive for me to have people having a go at me on that issue. I have PTSD, a legacy of the disgusting treatment I have had to endure, in an attempt to cover up the abuse I suffered as a child.

    I have had people creeping around doing things to me, pretending to be my friend with one face and stabbing me in the back with the other. I was offered councelling but what happened is that the person doing the councelling reported confidential information to other people that they had no right to be reporting it to, I could write a book of all the dirty tricks that have been played on me, as I said, to cover up the abuse, because in Staffordshire, as in Jersey, and in Ireland, and elsewhere, victims of child abuse have been persecuted and my own solicitor (who is now dead) Richard Wise was rescuing abused people out of prison, they had been deliberatly and callously criminalised, jailed for example for not having enought money to pay the TV licence. I didn't get jailed but I did get sent quite deliberatly for councelling at one of the places I was abused as a child at, despite me pleading so piteously please oh please don't send me there, they did, and seemed obsessed with sending me there, because they realised it was making me ill - I ended up in hospital after a panic attack - they knew what they were doing, it was such utterly disgusting treatment, you would not treat a dog like that.

    So dont you dare take issue at me being paranoid and wanting very very clearly to check people out. If you knew or cared anything about how people like Hollie and other child abuse victims had been treated - particularly ones with mental health or disability issues, you would think twice before writing the nasty comment you have written above.

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  25. Of all the self-centred claptrap!

    'Yadda yadda yaddaaa, poor me meee meee... Nobody better say anything bad to me 'cos I'm the centre of the universe'... We've heard it! It's NOT about you - it's about HOLLIE - NOT YOU!!...

    Get over yourself!

    Barbara... It's high time somebody told you just to shut the f*** up! Seriously; if you've nothing sane or sensible to say just shut up...

    You PERSONALLY are responsible for you OWN actions - Just as the paedos like Oldfield who try and argue they do what they because of some genetic/psycological issue...

    NO! SORRY IT DOES NOT WASH!!!

    YOU are PERSONALLY responsible for YOUR actions and you're a coward and a blaggard to try and hide behind 'mental health' issues! - NO EXCUSE - NADA!!!

    'Wanting to very carefully check people out'? - And how did you go about that you lazy self-centred fool? Did you bother your lazy backside to do any reseach? Check things like my company's details? Whether I had a track record?

    Some 'care' you applied there - The Joseph/josephs bloke? Belinda?

    What YOU did was try to emotionally blackmail me into putting my family at risk? - And as a result you FED the very people who are trying to write Hollie's case off

    Carefully check? NO - YOU madam (among other things) randomly accused me, on what can be no more than a forename in common, of being some individual who may or may not be a maliferous influence... Apparently from 'somewhere' Belinda McKenzie (of whom I no fan; but still - she deserves to be treated fairly) is accused of being MI5! - The guy who runs the HDJ website is Hessaltine's mate...

    TAKE responsibility that the sort of cack YOU and others like you spout is EXACTLY what is keeping Hollie Greig's case out of the news! It's EXACTLY what the paedos WANT!

    - Get it through your thick skull - This isn't about you; and nobody gives a damn how 'offended' or upset you are by being made to face up to the damage YOU are causing!!!

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  26. First of all, if you read back carefully you will see that I haven't actually accused you of anything at all. It's entirely reasonable for someone who has had my experiences of backstabbing and sabotage to want to check people out, to make sure they are what they pretend to be. All I asked you was to show us a photo of what you look like, and that is a perfectly reasonable request, seeing that you are in the media business. Your having a 15 year old child, well, I don't see how that has anything to do with it, what have you brought your child up for?

    I am wondering why you come to Roberts site, because it's pretty obvious to me that you don't actually want to help him or Hollie or Anne at all.

    Your comments ore rude, offensive and uncalled for, and I would suggest to you that a course of anger management wouldn't go amiss.

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  27. Barbara - You are very OBVIOUSLY a completely self-absorbed individual. That's in YOUR control and your past experiences don't mitigate it to ANY degree... NOt one iota!

    As explained - and as you choose to ignore - working in the field I do means that I am occasionally involved in bringing down some very dangerous people - That makes me and my family a target. What is it you chose to ignore about the vulnerability of (particularly) my daughter in these circumstances?

    It's quite telling of your own disturbed midnset that you equate working in the media with attention seeking - I ain't Mark Daly or David Icke!

    You want to check people? well again, you're evading the point. Why DIDN'T you bother checking names, places dates? -No! You just pull some name out of thin air and start your nonsense...

    As I say - One of Daly's 'chums' was citing your madness last night...

    Various people, not just me, have expended a great deal of effort trying to convince senior editors that Hollie's case isn't all just madness - And your crackpot piffle emerges to arm the detractors!!

    And you've the damn cheek to say that I don't want to help Anne or Hollie? Take a look in the mirror you mad bat! - Angry? Angry??

    Damn right I'm furious! - You'll find you're not the only one that has an interest or been working on this case that has personal experience of abuse.

    YOUR problem Barbera is that you're repeatedly bleating about how hard done by YOU are - As if YOUR suffering 'outranks' Hollie's!!

    Damn right my comments are rude! you NEED a rude awakening! Offensive - don't care! Nowhere near as offensive as a self-centred crackpot trying to take centre stage on Hollie's platofrm - and PERFECTLY called for!!

    Anger management? Somehow I don't thin I'm the one needing psyciatric help!!!

    - It really wouldn't surprise me at all if you turned out to be on GLW's payroll yourself and your real agenda is to further damage Hollie's case...

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  28. There are now two side to this situation.

    1, The Hollie Greig Abuse Case.

    2, The conduct of those in High Places.

    Now, what is to be done about No:2 or does it not matter?

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  29. What CAN be done about either if both cases are made to appear to be dominated by fairy stories and crack pots?

    - The problem with Hollie's case all along has been amouvering it into a position where it will be taken seriously...

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  30. There is plenty to be done. This situation is now predominated by the Scottish Establishments misconduct. Their carry on is not just about Hollie anymore, but everyone who has children and vulnerable adults.

    So, is ok for them to do as they like? Does the law not apply to them? Or, because of their power drunk state they believe they are untouchable? What does that make them and how does it affect ordinary people?
    Their behaviour is not normal, it is abnormal and corrupt.

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  31. Nice try Matt. Trouble is I have all my social service documentation, so telling stupid lies about me being a member of MI5 is not really going to wash. For someone who is complaining about conspiracy theories you sure have made yourself look pretty hypocritical and stupid. Still haven't seen a photo of you though, and I dont have the time to go skulking all over the internet to look for one either.

    Like I said, I dont know why you are lurking round Robert, because you could help him and Hollie and Anne, but you wont, so why are you coming here to post abusive stuff to people here? I don't really care about whoever is laughing about me, because only someone with a really dark heart would be laughing about a knackered old woman like me anyway, but what you have said explains to me why the media wont help people like Hollie, if the journalists are such black hearted sewer mouthed yellow bellied angry cowards as you. Thank heaven for citizen media!

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  32. There sure is plenty to be done. This is going on in Jersey as well, theres a right big massive row brewed up about the Matt Tapp report.

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  33. Barbara - Go boil your head! There you go; painitn' yourself the victim again... poor auld Babs... awww

    You know fine well you don't HAVE to go skulking all over the internet... There's a link to a Sunday Times article about me on my blog - it carries the only published picture of me in 20 years...

    But hey - You've just admitted it! 'you don't have time' to be bothered researching the facts - they're too inconvenient for you...

    As for 'not helping Robert' - Robert doesn't want to be helped. the media CAN'T help so long as there are crackpots like yourself painting this up as some fairy story about MI5, Masons, Hob-Goblins or whatever - LOONEY TOONS stuff as the erse from the BBC cackled down the phone last night -

    Citizen media - aye right! Citizen media's the reason why Hollie's rapists will walk away laughing up their sleeve even if we COULD get them into a court you fool! Citizen media as you call it - That's what GLW's about; providing 'get out of jail cards' for perverts...

    YOU are the coward Barbara - you're scared of reality. and a stranger to the truth...
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    "So, is ok for them to do as they like? Does the law not apply to them? Or, because of their power drunk state they believe they are untouchable? What does that make them and how does it affect ordinary people?
    Their behaviour is not normal, it is abnormal and corrupt."

    No it's NOT - And yes, the law should apply to them. The thing is though you're right. They are power drunk and believe themselves above it...

    That is why they need to be hung with their own rope on their own terms... The case built against them needs to be built on corroborated evidence. Cold hard facts. Relevant ones too...

    Already the case against Angiolini is headed down the loony toons route with all this Masonic claptrap. And that will ultimately cause it to be dismissed just as Hollie's has been...

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  34. Honesty and transparency is not much to ask for especial and more so when it comes to children/vulnerable adults.

    If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. There are plenty on the payroll that are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

    The people of Scotland have every right to meet the truth. If those in high place get in the way then they need to be removed from office.

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  35. It seems timely to remind everyone after today's unedifying exchange (thanks Barbara for defending the fort but really don't waste your time against Clydeside lowlife whoever they are, can't be bothered to identify them)that while Robert keeps an eye on what people are saying on this blog and is very grateful for messages of support and any helpful bits of information and advice from people genuinely wishing to be helpful,he prefers on the whole to steer clear of the discussions that may arise, especially where negative elements might be coming in to stir things up. He believes everyone is intelligent enough to spot these trolls and shills for themselves.

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  36. Clydeside LOW life?? You know perfectly well who I am Belinda - why are you dishonest enough to feign ignorance??? And you seriously think mad Babs is adding credibility to your cause???

    As you know Belinda, my name is Matt Quinn - The guy who's spent nearly two years trying to persuade major mainstream media platforms to run what bits and pieces of Hollie Greig's case they could...

    And EVERY time we've got close to publication 'some idiot' - Usually on 'HDJ' - and ususally under your name Belinda - has trotted out yet another stupid tale so that the mainstream (as you VERY WELL KNOW) can't give a 'lead in' and the piece gets dropped...

    I'm the guy who had to listen to one of Mark Daly's drunken bum mates on the phone last night; and listen to his 'told you so' rhetoric - thanks to the complete and utter TOSH people like you trot out...

    Trolls? shills? Or folk with their eye on the big bucks to be made on the conspiracy theory circuit? Last I heard Belinda YOU were MI5 too - Ex Landlady to David Shayler? Was he a cross dresser back then Bel?

    I challenge ANYONE to contradict ANYTHING I've written on the 'can of worms' blog with regards to how the law operates... Be that either on reporting restriction or process or whatever...

    Belinda - How to YOU justify breaching the Sexual Offence Act? - Because, just like GLW - You HAVE... Please explain YOUR position - carrying on where Watkins left off... Even during Robert's trial, you were bloody lucky not to be had up for contempt of court and jailed yourself ... Or is that what you actually WANT???

    As it is Robert SHOULD by rights get off with an admonishment - Tell me why you and your cronies are so busy winding up the Sheriff to ensure he gets a custodial sentence...

    Is there more money to be made in that do you think maybe???

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  37. "Honesty and transparency is not much to ask for especial and more so when it comes to children/vulnerable adults.

    If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. There are plenty on the payroll that are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

    The people of Scotland have every right to meet the truth. If those in high place get in the way then they need to be removed from office."

    - Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, like the Hollie case itself, the best way to give them a 'get out of jail' card is to hide the whole mess in plain sight... As part of some mad-ass conspiracy...

    Lucrative too!

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  38. 17 For nothing is a secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

    Thank you Lord Jesus for answeing my prayer

    Love Barbara xx

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  39. Put the legwork in... Google...

    "belinda mckenzie" shayler dolores

    -Just cut and paste it! Then spend some time researching the 'capacious' nature of her handbag...

    Conspiracy theory - The best place to hide a thing in in plain sight...

    (Poe not Conan-Doyle)

    Where Watkins failed... Tip of the iceberg...

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  40. Just for fun...

    http://network-of-those-abused-by-church.blogspot.com/

    http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/the-players/

    http://forum.davidicke.com/archive/index.php/t-66707.html

    How WELL HEELED certain people grow off conspiracy theories... I wonder if Robert Green will reflect on that as he rots in his jail cell...

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  41. POLISH builders - big ones! Ask Belinda about the young couple she rents one of her ex-MI5 hideout rooms to - TERRIFIED they're about to be beaten up by Belinda's henchman...

    911 - fit up job? I think so... Only Belinda wants to detract from the real facts of this inside job by claiming there were NO planes!!!

    People saw them, people heard them - hundreds of thousands of witnesses. But Big Bel's working hard to discredit ALL 911 investigators... She's NO cash for credible advocates of the internal demolition theory - but some sort of mass-hypnosis trip??

    Kerrrr ChinGGG!!!!

    NOW - WHO do we think would fund an initiative like THAT?

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  42. I have already crossed swords with Belinda, over the John Hemming fiasco at Stoke on Trent.

    I have explained all this on my blog, what happened. I was being persued in the secret family court and accused of having a syndrome called Parental Alienbation Syndrome. I discovered (thanks to the Lord, who showed me) that PAS was invented by a paedophile from America, who had given lectures in the UK at Eagle Associates and the Kensington Institute. I tried to tell people that a paedophile had invented that syndrome, and that it was being used in secret court hearings all over the UK. I posted about it on Mothers for Justice, and was attacked on there for 2 years, by friends of John Hemming MP of Mosely, B'ham, called vile names and thrown off the site - they had wangled their way onto the admin - they were the people involved in Operation Ore

    Brian Gerrish inv ited Hemming to a conference in Stoke, and I gave Hemming a piece of my mind over the bullying I had endured on MFJ for posting the truth about Ralph Underwager and Richard Gardner. I am still waiting for Belinda to respond to my email I sent her over this issue.

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  43. Clydeside and Matt Green have been on of the VIEW sensible supporters of Robert Anne and Hollie from day one.
    Funny as soon as someone doesnt tow the nut job line they get accused of working for the other side.

    I support Robert Green Hollie and Anne ,i DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ,I WASNT THERE BUT cover up there has been and an abuse of power, as for the rest , ......

    G Mc kendrick

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  44. How many on here are part of the "Truth Movement?"

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  45. I'm a Christian so I suppose that makes me a member of the telling the truth movement, if I don't tell the truth that would dishonour the Lord Jesus. I did get sucked into the Brian Gerrish truth movement, but wont have anything to do with him any more bevcause of what he did at Stoke and him and that Mike telling lies to me as well and I dont like bare faced liars, and I dont like Jordan Maxwell letting people call him the Messiah in the video I bought from the Stoke Brian Gerrish conference. So it looks like I have dropped out of the truth movement in that respect.

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  46. Thank you belinda for clearing up any confusion about Ian Josephs/Ian Parker-Josephs.

    Can you cast any light on the shadowy figure of Carl Sims and his relationship with Anne Greig? What is his role in the writing and editing of the 'official' Hollie campaign website, what is his background in publishing and earning a living from conspiracy writings?

    Loyal followers of Hollie's case have a right to transparency

    For the record, while I do not agree with everything Matt Quinn (Clydeside Television, Can of Worms blogspot) says, I have found his blog an excellent examination of the case from many angles, and also thoroughly transparent.
    I find it hard to believe that Belinda McKenzie (spokesperson for the 'official' campaign) can actually speak to him/about him like that!

    What's going on Belinda?

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  47. Let me tell you what's going on Mark...

    Belinda McKenzie = Agent!

    And the rest that believe this load of old baloney that is HDJ are stupidly naive.

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  48. My contention would be that McKenzie is a professional conspiracy theorist- A 'Ringmaster' - It's a business. a cold hard business. Money is what drives her IMHO...

    Consider the 5 MILLION pound a year "black hole" that was Iran Aid... (note the lame imitation of Geldof's Live Aid name). More recently the ‘Make Wars History’ (MWH) campaign lamely apes Bob Geldof’s pathetic ‘Make Poverty History’ campaign...

    Dig into it and you find a project designed from the outset to fail – But not before its attracted funding in the shape of donations...

    Echoes of “Iran Aid” anyone? - right down to the lame copycat name!

    The latter is fronted by one Annie Machon - Ex MI5 officer (a real one!) She's also the former partner of David shayler... WHO was their 'Grandmotherly landlady'? WHO is their 'ringmaster'?

    Cranks like Shayler and Machon are of course highly 'bankable' on the conspiracy circuit. If you actually dig into their stories they do emerge as just 'cranks' - Ex MI5 or otherwise...

    To a Conspiracy pro like McKenzie Hollie's story IS highly bankable. And the more it can be spun out as a conspiracy the greater the potential financial rewards... I'm not convinced he's complicit - But Robert -now that he's close to achieving 'martydom' is equally 'bankable'...

    It's very probable that every effort to steer Hollie's case AWAY from conspiracy theory and into the mainstream has been thwarted simply because it makes the case less 'saleable'...

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  49. So who is Mark McClure?

    Who is this person who asks for information yet hides behind an anonymous profile that is only 3 days old.

    Quite good at stirring the shit aren't you. Good attempt at divide and rule going on here to shut the campaign down, is that the plan? Are you the same person who murdered Roy Greig? Do you seriously expect Belinda to cough up info on campaign helpers to an anonyming?

    Speak up, I think we should all know, transparency and all that.

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  50. So who is this Mark McClure?

    He/She seem to ask, no demand, an awful lot of answers for someone who hides behind a blogger profile that is only 3 days old.

    You seem to throw a lot of muck around for someone hidden in the shadows. Looks like a divide and rule attempt to me to get Belinda to cough up personal information about the campaign team by smearing them first. Not a very good attempt at that. So why would Belinda want to cough anything up to an anonyming.

    So who are you? Loyal followers of Hollie's case have a right to transparency.

    Tell me, whilst all this mud is being thrown about, while Matt Quinn is still smarting from not getting his scoop and throwing his toys out of the pram, which one of you bozos is giving a stuff about the one person this is all about - Hollie.

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  51. Yes, well after reading through the links you posted it would appear that some SERIOUS questions need to be asked about the 'official' Hollie campaign.

    Why, after pursuing and acquiring legal aid in Scotland did Robert then proceed to ignore all legal advice and resort to calling anybody who did not agree with him a mason? This destoyed the case I'm afraid, a deeply sad moment for all who were hoping to see the right questions asked of a country's justice system.

    Who is leading this campaign?
    Belinda McKenzie? (MI5, conspiracy 'ringmaster'?)
    Carl Sims (Anne's boyfriend, publishes conspiracy magazine, believes he being persecuted by Michael Heseltine and members of the Royal family)
    Ian Parker-Joseph (webmaster of holliedemandsjustice.org, does he advise Robert what to do?)
    Anne Greig - has not said anything publicly about Robert's trial
    Robert Green - has his relationship with the above named broken down? Are they supportive of him? Is he getting the best advice for him? or are others pursuing their own agenda(s)?

    This is the culmination of a long hard campaign with many supporters and interested onlookers, I think it perfectly reasonable that these questions are asked and answered in some form.
    A man is facing prison and a young woman has LOST her chance of seeking and obtaining justice - the supporters of Hollie and Robert Green are asking WHY?

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  52. There is plenty to be done. This situation is now predominated by the Scottish Establishments misconduct. Their carry on is not just about Hollie anymore, but everyone who has children and vulnerable adults.

    There seems to be growing number who want to derail this case.There is enough factual eveidence, that shows Hollie was failed by Scottish system.

    The safety of children, vulnerable adults is being totally ignored here. If you want something to chew over, then start using your head to pull out the legal issues regarding the failure of Hollie.

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  53. I don't want to derail Hollie's case at all! But, like Hollie, I am also a survivor of institutional child abuse, thats where a lot of the genuine support for Hollie is coming from, other abuse survivors, other people who have gone through similar stuff to what Hollie and Anne went through. I get a really strong feeling that there are some people trying to drive people like me away. I can't actually do very much, except to read Government reports and old newspapers and things, and to bear witness to the fact that institutional abuse is being covered up and the victims just get stamped on and kicked into the long grass. MI5 is involved, I'm not being a "conspiracy theorist" - it isn't a theory that David Rose, for example, was working for MI5, and he was the man who was part of a group of people trying to persuade David Cameron and other politicians to limit police investigations into institutional child abuse, its fact, the guy admitted he worked for MI5. Why is it that as soon as someone mentions MI5 they get accused of being a nutter or a conspiracy theorist?

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  54. There are millions of children around the world that are failed by their countries legal systems. Hollie is just one of them. She was failed because no one was convicted of the crime she suffered at the hands of her father and probably her brother.

    After that, there is no FACTUAL evidence whatsoever of anything purported by Robert Green or her mother Anne Grieg.

    Anybody that wants to see real justice and innocent people left alone are always accused of trying to "derail" the case when in reality there is simply no case to derail!!

    There are much bigger things afoot, and all supporters of this are nothing more than gullible tourists.

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  55. @Zoompad, you seem like an intelligent individual. I suggest you look again at what Robert Green euphemistically calls "evidence."

    You’re also correct with the Mi5 links....

    There are paid agents out there working inside organisation like truth movements, we are change, occupy and so on....and their job is transparent when you connect the dots correctly...

    That doesn't mean they are "James Bond" figures.....they can be nicely spoken landlady's serving tea and scones...

    But there are so many holes in so much of Robert’s “evidence” I simply refer to the whole HDJ saga as bullshit!!

    Hollie was abused….almost certainly by her father and probably by her brother. The CPS recognised that but they and the police are so inept sometimes they could not put a case together….hence Hollie was paid.

    There’s nothing more to this….it really is that simple.

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  56. Pyrite - people are supportive of and watching this case for a variety of reasons, I am not going to lump them together as 'tourists' 'gullible' or anything else.

    If, it had been hoped, that Hollie's case could have worked as a spearhead for other abuse cases, that, I believe was what she was hoping for herself. She does not want other children to go what she had gone through! A perfectly natural and caring response of any human being!

    Eng65 - what do you suggest the future of the campaign to be? The fight for the safety of vulnerable adults and children should be treated with the utmost seriousness and consideration. It would appear in this case that the Hollie campaign has been usurped by people with their own mad agendas, this is deeply unsettling and has to be questioned, ALONG WITH the questioning of the Scottish Judicial system

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  57. I am not suicidal, but if I were going to kill myself I would think of a much better way to do it than pour whisky down my throat and set fire to myself. I find it very strange that Roy Greig's death is being pushed into the long grass.

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  58. So who is this Mark McClure?

    They seem to ask, no demand, an awful lot of answers for someone who hides behind a blogger profile that is very new and hidden from view.

    You seem to throw a lot of muck around for someone hidden in the shadows. Looks like a divide and rule attempt to me to get Belinda to cough up personal information about the campaign team by smearing them first. Not a very good attempt at that. So why would Belinda want to cough anything up to an anonyming.

    So who are you? Loyal followers of Hollie's case have a right to transparency.

    Tell me, whilst all this mud is being thrown about, while Matt Quinn is still smarting from not getting his scoop and throwing his toys out of the pram, which one of you bozos is giving a stuff about the one person this is all about - Hollie.

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  59. Pyrite - after looking at that blog you follow, you have my full attention!

    The third picture down - do you know when that photo of the parliamentary meeting was taken? I recognise some of the people, I will list who I think they are, going from left to right:

    1) Lord Falconer (the justice minister I wrote to many times about paedophiles influencing the secret family courts and the man who covered up Dr David Kelly's highly unlikley in fact completly impossible suicide)
    2) Don't know
    3) Belinda McKenzie
    4) Jonathan Sacks (Chief Rabbi)
    5) John Hemming MP

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  60. One wonders what possible relation to Justice people who would KNOWINGLY seek to put a man's 15-year-old daughter in danger through their capricious demands for him to post a photo of himself on the internet for them to no doubt publicise and show around..?

    "Zoompad"

    "Carol Sims"

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  61. Zoompad; Belinda McKenzie is sitting to the left of Lord Falconer (2nd picture down) then; unknown male, unknown female, unknown (to me) male, then John Hemming.

    The blond in the 4th picture is Jean Andrews

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  62. Are you accusing me of being this person Carol Sims? I don't look anything like her!

    If you are going to accuse me of being someone I am not at least get a better match!

    My name is Barbara Richards, and I live in Staffordshire. This is me.

    http://youtu.be/O81i95SDeFc

    As you can see, I look nothing like Carol Sims. I don't know if I sound anthing like her, as I don't know what Carol Sims sounds like, not (as far as I know) having ever met her.

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  63. I read years ago that judges were expected to be somewhat apart from society, given the responsible nature of their jobs, precisely to avoid allegations of conflicts of interest.

    To say that serving on the board of a charity together even for 10 years though is evidence of "corruption" is somewhat unfounded.

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  64. Well, he looks the absolute spit of Jonathan Sacks, the Chief Rabbi and head of JUMP, and Sacks is yet another of the people I wrote to about the paedophiles and the secret family courts. I wrote to him because he was involved in a Government paper called "THE OPERATION OF THE FAMILY COURTS" and I was going through hell on earth in the secret courts at the time, so I was absolutly desperate for someone to help, and I had heard him on Radio 4, the prayer for today slot, so I thought he might help. But he never wrote back.

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  65. Is she the same Jean Andrews who works at Nottingham University?

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  66. Yes Aptl, I agree with your last comment.

    I do not think it is the Jean Andrews that works for Nottingham University

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  67. 'Carol Sims' is a play on the name Carl Sims, Carl Sims has a very real and influential hold over the Hollie Greig campaign, but prefers people not to know this, or anything about him.

    Carl Sims has published his online magazine 'Namaste magazine UK' for a number of years yet there exists no picture of him on the internet and nothing in the way of any biography.

    I have no idea about the character 'Carol Sims'

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  68. Much as I've been very very harsh with Zoompad I would like to apologise unreservedly for my tone...

    I believe she will have acted as she did simply because her experiences have left scars. that said; the Hollie Greig case needs looked at coldly, rationally.

    Fear is something used by those who seek to control others. And the fear of there being 'bogie men' around every corner is perhaps the crudest of all possible control systems...

    Let's reduce this to bare essence... If Hollie had been raped just once (and it would be wise to obfusicate by whom exactly for the sake of protecting the prospects of prosecution) - I know she was probably raped many more times; but for argument's sake lets say it happened ONCE...

    That is surely no-less serious or evil an act than if it happened a hundred times?

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  69. Apology accepted Matt, and, as I said on Facebook, I am sorry I misjudged you, thinking you were Matt Tapp.

    I would like Belinda McKenzie to come on here and explain what the heck she has been up to. If she's been going to Parliamentary meetings with people like John Hemming, Jonathan Sacks and Lord Falconer, why has she kept as quiet as a little mouse about it?

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  70. There will be 'some story' Barbara - But as I say; the thing is to scratch around and do the research...

    I don't actually agree with a lot this guy says; but I beleive his perspective on cult characteristis has some merit. There are also a couple of useful references...

    http://www.anarchist-studies-network.org.uk/documents/Conference%20Papers/Larry%20O%27Hara.pdf

    Any 'discredit' this calls down upon certain individuals is of their own authoriship - As I say; everyone is urged to learn about the law, how it works etc...

    And let's face it - the 'hocus pocus' protests about them being victims of a smear campaign are pretty hollow. IF that's the case then refute the charges against them - What happened to the 'Iran Aid' money? Where DOES McKenzie get her money? What ARE the financial facts behind all these events and activities???

    Shayler's 'display' in the red tops a few years back. Do you think he was paid? Or not? Who orchestrated this???

    Back on topic...

    Robert Green WAS 'fitted up' by Angiolini et al - in my opinion - But he needs to 'fess up' to the fact he played straight into their hands...

    Summary Justice is, if you like 'vending machine justice' - Once set in motion the machine does what it does. As I've said a few times; if Robert's own Mother was sitting on the bench - with the 'defence' he presented - she would have had no choice but to disallow Angiolini as a witness and convict...

    - Of course - When they rail-roaded him down this rout they KNEW all this! No conspiracy necessary - You throw meat into a mincer you get mince out the other end!

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  71. Aahhh....it’s coming!..... Slowly lol!

    Listen, dots have been connected....that's all i can say at the moment. Some of the dots are being realised by some of you...and some are on the tip of the iceberg.....and some of you are missing dots....but there is more!

    Matt Quinn...I’ve' always thought of you as an arse! No offence, but you own a TV company and even you, a so called supporter refused to make a documentary!

    Yes, i have heard your reasons....and they are bullshit mate. :)

    However, i like a man that can apologise when he is wrong...so well done!

    I always try to follow the same path as we are all wrong at some point in our lives.

    So I would like to apologise for my stereotype of ALL the followers of this case. Gullible tourists you ALL may not be, but if you are going to support any cause, no matter how heart rendering it may be....you have to check out the true FACTS, and double check the EVIDENCE.

    That includes checking out the individuals also.

    If you fail to do this, and simply believe the rhetoric of the main individuals concerned, then i would suggest gullible is a fair assessment. If you simply then follow this cause and do nothing about it, "tourists" would also be a fair assessment. But as i have no knowledge that ALL of the followers are behaving this way, hence the apology.

    However, Mark McClure, I am struggling to believe that the followers, or the main protagonists in this case are simply doing it to save other children from some sacred, devil worshiping group of Scottish elitists paedophiles !

    Why? Because it’s Bullshit! Even if you forget about the devil worship bit lol!

    There are some deluded individuals in this case that are only interested in themselves, and believe wholeheartedly their own delusion! So strong is that delusion.

    Even if, as you say that was one of the ambitions Mark, why would anyone want to use this case to “spearhead” the cause against child abuse?

    Surely one would want a totally rock solid case?...It makes no sense at all really does it?

    Let’s look at one contender that has been mentioned here. Belinda McKenzie.

    Here, we have a woman with direct links to Ex Mi5 agents, (if they are EX agents) who was involved in charities with missing millions, seemingly involved in and/or funding all sorts of organisations from The People's Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI, also MEK, MKO) who are a militant Terrorist organization that advocates the overthrow of the Islamic Republic of Iran, to the 911 Truth Movement, and finally American UFO research organisations!!

    Could it be that this thing is bigger than simply HDJ?

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  72. Pyrite - lets clarify things

    Followers; many people (27,000) were horrified at this case, some still are. Very few will have followed all the twists, turns and blind alleys that cropped up during the course of the investigation. You (fools gold) are one, Matt Quinn and another few people I can think of.

    It is also entirely normal for people to be interested in and follow cases that they can't necessarily do anything about AND have strong wishes that things could be different! - spearhead - And if you believe any more than 2% of people take time to check facts and individuals beyond the most cursory level - you're living in la-la land.
    I don't know why you have a personal beef against followers of the Hollie Greig case. I see you apologise then go on to call them gullible tourists again, I don't know if anything more can be said on that subject.

    Protagonists; do you mean Belinda McKenzie, Robert Green, Carl Sims, Ian Parker-Joseph? As to their motivations, is it not what this thread is addressing?

    You're that woman that fancies George! is that why you just won't/can't let it go?

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  73. ha ha I very much doubt that is the case , a shame things went as they did because I had nothing but respect ,but when someone sides with the wee man against you well...

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    1. G MCK, oh i assure you i don't and never have sided with the "wee man"...i am as anti Government as you will ever meet!

      But i do understand why in this case they have behaved the way they have...for the sake and safety of others they had no choice when up against the deranged!

      Sleep well G

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  74. Pyrite - i don't think you should reply to my post above me in the comments list, it confuses things for other people.

    You've made yourself clear how you feel about the supporters, what is your take on the protagonists?

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    1. Sorry about that Mark, I think you're correct.

      My take on the Protagonist? Well, i don't have the time to do that answer justice now as my views are wide and varied. They have to be because of the different agendas some of the individuals have. Maybe tomorrow.

      But I would like to say one more thing before I retire for the evening, and i would like to use you Mark as an example. I hope you don't mind.

      Can everyone see how Mark attacked me in his last post?

      He stated “I see you apologise then go on to call them gullible tourists again” but in fact I did no such thing.

      Actually i explained my reasoning’s and then confirmed why I was wrong!!

      But this is typical from most supporters.

      Whenever anyone mentions anything vaguely against the grain of HDJ they are attacked.

      Those that understand anything about human psychology will recognise this as a defensive pattern.

      The supporter feels he is being attacked for his views…the reaction is to attack back.

      When in reality, individuals like myself are attempting to help by suggesting supporters should look again at the facts.

      Everything that has happened in this case can be reasonable explained. Just like I explained why the Sheriff COULDN’T respond.

      You don’t have to believe me….but ask yourself…is it possible?

      If the answer is yes…then do the same about the rest and I promise you, the truth will hit you like a brick in your face! At the very least you will see that this case has given no reason to Robert Green, Ann Grieg or the other involved to behave the way they have.


      The saying “None are so blind than those who do not want to see” seems just for many of the HDJ supporters. Before you fall into that category, LOOK AGAIN!

      Buonanotte e dormi bene….for tonight.

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    2. Nobody attacked you in your last post and I'm sure everyone is waiting with baited breath to receive your 'help'

      g'nite! :)

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    3. Sleep well G

      I will dont worry ,

      If you are as anit gov why dont you display your credentials otherwise you lack credibility


      Sorry who is deranged?

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  75. Never complain never explain.

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  76. the sherrif could have sued Robert and no one would have been any the wiser

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  77. "Matt Quinn...I’ve' always thought of you as an arse! No offence, but you own a TV company and even you, a so called supporter refused to make a documentary!

    Yes, i have heard your reasons....and they are bullshit mate. :)"

    Really? (LOL) Have we met? - There ARE a lot of people who think that. They are usually those (or associates of those) I've out-competed exposed or otherwise called to book...

    Do YOU perhaps know anything about running an alcohol free pub? ;-)

    Unfortunately making enemies goes with the territory.

    My reasons? EXACTLY how are they "bullshit"? Do explain... Expand and elucidate... I asume you have some expertise in media production on which to base your assertion?

    Firstly; it's simply not legally possible to give a 'lead in' to the case as it stands. I'm in no stronger a position than anyone else to breach the law. A documentary in the current climate would never get past a legal audit...

    It would be unbroadcastable... As simple as that.

    That is FACT - Which you can check for yourself by reading up on the basics of media law.

    - IF it were possible to make a programme Mark Daly would have done it! - That's no endorsement of his journalistic prowess - Simply that's he's a big one for the 'red top headline'!!

    Secondly - I put shoes on my kid's feet by making TV programmes...

    Do you expect your local taxi driver to provide transport for the needy - at the expense of the time and resources needed to provide for his family?

    Do you expect your local garage to repair cars for free simply because their owners are poor?

    Do you expect your local corner shop to feed the poor and/or unfortunate for free?

    I run a SMALL family business - The fact it happens to be in media doesn't make me Rupert Murdoch...

    A documentary could easily cost £50K+ to make... THAT IS the sort of money involved with these things. It could take up to a year to produce. It would take crews and equipment away from paying jobs...

    Substantial sums have already been spent researching aspects of this case...

    At the end of the day I am as personally responsible for my business as any other tradesman - Do you expect me personally to pay for this from my Daughter's University fund perhaps? Maybe I should dip into my pension fund?

    Tell you what- Why don't YOU commission a programme? -Not from me; but some other production company... You could sell your house or something to fund it... No? Thought not!

    Or do you actually imagine professional programmes are made by one bloke with a toy camera like some random YouTube video??

    Thirdly - IF I were to make money, or even TAKE money in connection with the Hollie Greig case - where would that leave me standing in relation to the case? - Especially since my 'take' on this is that some of the driving forces are essentially mercenary in nature?

    Morally I've no wish to profit from this horror and that's a personal decision. But in purely practical terms it's important I have nothing to gain by the case breaking...

    It really IS better that I have NOTHING to gain from any of this... Whether you accept that or not does not trouble me in the slightest...

    Now... You do seem to have a FEW of the 'dots' yourself; though why you chose to be quite so cryptic is anyone's guess. I can make a few guesses as to who exactly you are; but that's not relevant...

    You'll find a few different intermeshed but independent 'puzzles' in this one... And yes; one of the key ones IS the matter of Ringmistress McKenzie... And her 'flying circus'..

    Green has a short window of opportunity. He'll either wake up and smell the coffee - and 'fess up' to his errors. Or turn out to be a headline act; go for the full martyrdom deal and spend the next few years in McKenzies' highly profitable conspiracy stable...

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    1. I wouldnt try to justify myself to someone not man enough reveal themselves Matt.

      Its truly pathetic and I am bored with it.

      Heard all before ,you have to wonder with Robert being convicted what are they so scared about ,why worry what we think when we are clearly beat and naught but a band of gullible fools

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    2. If they're who I suspect they are they have good cause to be 'coy'... I'll 'undot' some of the dots a little...

      I hear Belinda keeps company with large Polish Builders... Certain of her tenants seem to feel they have had their peace breached as a result of this association...

      Here's some more fun

      WHO LIVES in a house like this????

      >>>>>>>>

      Name & Registered Office:
      COGNOSCENCE LIMITED
      83 PRIORY GARDENS
      LONDON
      N6 5QU
      Company No. 04655658



      Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off
      Date of Incorporation: 04/02/2003

      Country of Origin: United Kingdom
      Company Type: Private Limited Company
      Nature of Business (SIC):
      7310 - R & D on nat sciences & engineering
      Accounting Reference Date: 31/03
      Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/03/2009 (TOTAL EXEMPTION FULL)
      Next Accounts Due: 31/12/2010 OVERDUE
      Last Return Made Up To: 04/02/2009
      Next Return Due: 04/03/2010 OVERDUE
      Last Members List: 04/02/2009

      <<<<<<<

      Floggers of dubious UFO videos to the bewidlered - NOTE the OVERDUE accounts. (another financial black hole?) - Ray Santilli (he of the Alien autopsy scam attempt) could take some lessons from her!!!

      - Mind you; I don't think Ant and Dec will want to play the Mackies in the film somehow...

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  78. Pyrite asked...

    "Could it be that this thing is bigger than simply HDJ?"

    HDJ is just one 'title' in a certain individual's commercial empire... - In my opinion of course. ;-) Conspiracy theory is BIG business!!!

    However - does it reduce the probability of Hollie having been raped? No! - And as I say whether it happened once or a thousand times; that's no less a crime. And no less a failure on the part of the Scottish justice system.

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  79. Oh - and Pyrite - Mid 90's Alien Autopsy scam? - Try and find out who ripped Bob Shell's 'expert' analysis of the film apart publically... a compuserve forum was used to do it; about as public and open as you could get online at the time...

    For those baffled by the reference McKenzie is 'allegedly' (legal nicety) limked to the 'Starchild' project. - an ancient skull dug up in Mexico and promoted for a long time as human-alien hybrid...

    - Just look it up on wikipedia /Youtube etc...

    Another fundraiser - supposedly to get funds for a 'more advanced' DNA test... The main space connection being "black holes" IMHO...

    - Just another Belinda McKenzie Production...

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    1. Hello Matt, I love your writing, it always amuses me thank you! (Genuinely)

      First things first….you have never “outed” me and I don’t own an alcohol free pub! (What a sacrilege!!)

      Secondly Matt, let’s be honest eh? It would take a fraction of the cost to make a documentary, especially with all the free support you would get not to mention some of the donations that HDJ gets. You don’t have to make a profit, full transparency would easily see to that.

      However I take your point on the legal issue (you are the expert) but that’s because as I keep saying…get ready….here it comes….again…..THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

      I really do agree with a great deal of what you write and you do seem like an intelligent, rational individual that has done some great research. (In fact you piped me to the post in releasing some of it, but there are still some dots you have not connected yet lol)

      But that fact that you actually believe the wider story of an elitist paedophile ring is absolutely absurd!!

      That is why I suggest you are an arse…..oh and because I have followed you for years and you are sometimes rude and obnoxious. (But I forgive you because you are a nice man and can apologise.)

      Now, onto your latest blog, “Riddle me this.” http://the-can-of-worms.blogspot.com/

      “But also ‘normalised’ to the bizarre world he grew up in; and thus fully culpable for his own actions.”

      Rubbish! I assure you if you grew up in a certain environment you would not be able to behave in any other way. It would take years of physiological help (if ever, if the environment was really bad) before you could be “culpable” of your own actions.

      Answer this; what is the main cause of crime?
      Don’t know?

      Answer = social stratification. FACT!

      What is the politicians answer for this?

      Answer = build more prisons.

      Why?

      Because they want/need/must keep the majority stratified.

      Why?

      Answer = too long to answer here lol!

      In other words they take no responsibility, just like you don’t for this individual.

      You think because he is “of age” that’s it then.

      You’re probably asking “what responsibility is it of yours?”

      Answer = it’s all our responsibility!!

      If we can’t look after each other, what are we?

      Answer = Politicians!!

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    2. “So, what do we have here?”

      A Down’s Syndrome child who has been raped.” Yes, almost certainly by her father and brother. Which is why she was paid by the CPS. Not to shut her up! But because she deserved it! And a lot more…

      “An inadequate Police investigation.” Debateable…..Regarding the investigation into her father & brother maybe….the rhetoric of delusional individuals not!

      “Officials desperate to cover up their incompetence.” The police? Maybe….again nothing more!

      “Possible links between her rapists and an international extreme porn ring.” If you call a grotty little man that fled the country and deals in extreme porn an “International porn ring”, certainly….but again…nothing more!

      “Possible links between the porn ring and a high profile child snatching case.” OH F**K ME! This one made me really LOL! I really can’t find the words…..I mean it’s possible I guess….but what has this got to do with HDJ? Nout!!

      “Even now my impression is that Robert Green is an easily-lead and foolish man. The sort who is easily conned – a ‘Patsy’ if you will.” Clever boy….agreed!

      “I am forced to acknowledge though that he may be a man with questionable motives.” Indeed…he is self-centred I assure you! He is so deep in this lifestyle, it has taken him over…and he now must make a living out of it. Oh and btw….i have seen him in Court….he’s not very good!

      “Here we start considering the roll of one Belinda McKenzie – Quite a ‘sneaky’ operator it emerges. Ms McKenzie had involved herself at quite an early stage in the Hollie Grieg case. And it seems there is quite a strong echo of Greg Lance-Watkins about her. Although I would immediately stress that McKenzie is a very much more intelligent, duplicitous and better organised character.”
      “The truth about Belinda McKenzie is that she seems to be a professional conspiracy theorist! She’s in the business! And those impressed by her deep pockets should perhaps ask what happened to the money donated to “Iran Aid” for all those years – it ran from 1983 to 2000!” Clever boy...agreed! And she is much more than that! In my opinion she is a paid agent….by the establishment if you will….with a very specific job to do. When things get tough…Belinda is called in to do here magic! The overwhelming proof is there for all to see. Look here… http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.com/2012/02/we-at-missing-pieces-like-puzzles.html#comment-form

      “HDJ is just one 'title' in a certain individual's commercial empire... - In my opinion of course. ;-) Conspiracy theory is BIG business!!!” Yeah agreed again Matt! But there is more…. so look out the entire peoples activism organisations out there….We are Change…Occupy….911 truth….

      “Judging by feedback from delegates, the commission is indeed enjoying a new level of appreciation. Even some of its long-standing sceptics seem pleased with the regulator's progress. "We feel that the commission is on the right path under the leadership of Dame Suzi and Andrew Hind," says Belinda McKenzie, coordinator of the Association for Charities.” http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/news/Article/743405/news-analysis-looking-back-annus-hecticus/

      I think you’re getting there Matt, it’s good to see someone with intelligence not afraid to question what he understands. I did that some years ago now…it bloody painful but fantastically liberating when you get there.

      Good luck!

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  80. How is Carl Sims linked to Belinda McKenzie ?

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  81. COGNOSCENCE - I looked it up in the online dictionary, as I have never heard the word before, and Noah Websters 1828 dictionary said it meant the act or state of knowing.

    I also looked up the company. This is what I found.



    Directors and Secretaries




    Current Directors
    Ms Belinda Margaret McKenzie
    Mr Grant Maurice Stapleton
    Mr Andrew Dominic Johnson

    Current Secretaries

    Ms Belinda Margaret McKenzie

    I haven't a clue what any of this means though. I can't find any information of what this company actually does!

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  82. Well, one of the things it DID was import and distribute material pertaining to the 'Starchild' project on a commercial basis...

    Just google: +Starchild +COGNOSCENCE

    The information I pasted in is from Companies house; that's the government department that holds the register and administers Limited Companies in the UK.

    Limited Companies (for the benefit of those that don't know) are legally 'third parties' in their own right. And effectively isolate the owners from a lot of thepersonal risk that operating as a sole trader carries...

    - Simply google companies house Webcheck - Once you are there type the company name in - You'll get to the entry above.

    What that tells you is the Company hasn't been complying with the law and is probably going to be 'struck off'.

    - So not only do we have evidence of commercial interest in the conspiracy theory/paranormal trade; set against the background of Iran Aid, evidence of habitual mal-administration.

    To address Kerry's question...

    Car Sims is a very elusive character; by all accounts very difficult to get along with. So this is NOT a defence of him and I remain concerned for Anne and Hollie with regard to his 'stewarding' of them... BUT...

    Suppose though for a moment he's genuine... He himself IS in the 'conspiracy business' - He's bound to know OF McKenzie and her background...

    He could be either a commercial rival or commercial associate. One thing I would say though is that he's far better at obfuscating his background than McKenzie...

    This actually brings me back full circle to the reasons why I cant/won't get involved with anything that's monetised with regard to the Hollie Greig case...

    One of MY key criticisms and concerns is that Hollie's case has attracted all sorts of scavangers with clear commercial agenda. Throwing stones from within the glass house would be a bad idea!

    - And NO! We don't do UFO videos either!

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  83. This is just nasty. A lot of people have been so much wanting to help Hollie, and some of them have been abused themselves, which is why they wanted to help. People have gfiven money and distributed leaflets and all sorts, not because of any funny financial deal, but just because they didn't like what had happened to Hollie and her mum and uncle.

    I don't know what to say any more. I did tell Robert about the duplicity of John Hemming, he was there at the Stoke on Trent Brian Gerrish rally, the day I gave Hemming a piece of my mind. It was so horrible that day was, because I had only just had an eye operation which was very painful and I looked hideous, so the last thing I wanted to do was to traipse to Stoke on Trent, but I felt I had to warn vulnerable people who were being decieved by Hemming. I got shouted down by the people in the audience, and some of them actually witnessed the abuse I had had on the MFJ site, but they seemed to have blinded themselves to that, I got the impression it was alright for someone like me to be abused, because I was only some insignificant maggot anyway. But the trouble is, if a person can treat someone so badly, all ganged up upon as I was (for posting the truth about 2 deceased American paedophiles) it says a lot about the character of the persons who are doing the bullying, you cant trust people like that. Matt you probably dont know what the heck I am talking about, but Robert does. You had a go at me (for me mistakingly thinking you were Matt Tapp), well, it was nothing like that, I think you did have a right to be angry, I can see your point of view, but what was going on on MFJ was very much different. It was people repeatedly calling me a nutter, a lesbian, a bigot, and all sorts because I was trying to defend myself and other women against having a syndrome that had been invented by paedophiles used against me. Nigel Oldfield was one of those who was attacking me. I had no idea who he was at first, when I found out I was shocked at how bold he is, but I shouldn't have been, having read what Ralph Underwager, his hero, said in the Paidika interview.

    I would sooner trust a poisonous snake than trust someone like John Hemming MP. But other people, even having witnessed the nastiness on MFJ seem to be able to blind themselves too easily.

    I didn'r realise Brian Gerrish had invited Hemming to the Stoke conference. When I found out, I was shocked, because not only did Brian know about Hemming's duplicity, but he also knows that I was abused as a child. He even has some of my social service paperwork (which he has refused to post back to me, using a little of the money he has diddled me out of)

    I think I have been stupid. I feel like I had a big placard on my back saying "FIRST RATE MUG" I don't suppose I am the only one who feels that way. I trusted Brian Gerrish, and really thought he was a great man with a big heart, but after the way he treated me - and lied to me, him and that Mike Robinson (hope he's managed to get his ears syringed!!!) I think he is a first rate stinker. I feel so sorry for Hollie and Anne and wish them all the best, and so hope that they do not suffer any more abuse.

    I would like Robert to explain his version of the events, but it doesn't look likely that he will. I don't know if he is a victim or if he is in on the whole stitch up now, but I don't think I can be bothered to care any more. The Lord will sort things out one way or another, no-one else can, I think.

    I wont be posting here any more, there's no point. Goodbye.

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  84. You know the road to freedom is a bumpy on Zoompad and you must certianly know what we are up against. We have all being knocked about by the jackals out there, just because we have a good moral compass.

    Clearly they have become very irritated because of the success of the campaign and are doing their utmost to project us as loonies. Well i say this. You can’t be much of a person/ parent if you are doing your up most to uphold abuse of children. And for that reason, there is suspicion that you are not the sort of persons children need to be around!!!

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  85. "I don't know if he is a victim or if he is in on the whole stitch up now, "

    Frankly Barbara - nor do I! I believe though he is entitled to the benefit of the doubt up until his actions indicate otherwise. - Where the Likes of McKenzie & Co can be bluntly interpreted as having made a 'business investment' and risked very little personally - potentially Robert could go to jail..

    Either he hopes to build a career out of having gone down this route (as Shayler attempted to do) or he had been deliberately mis-directed... Time will tell.


    He has an opportunity to present a plea in mitigation to the court

    - Bear in mind what he has ACTUALLY been prosecuted for in basically 'frightening the horses'. He hasn't been 'done' for handing out leaflets per se... Or for 'speaking out'... Or anything else particularly notorious.

    Basically what 'hung' him was the fact ordinary members of the public sat in that court and said they were frightened by what they read! - Robert made no cogent counter to that.

    At this stage I would be prepared to beleive he was deliberately mislead down this route by people with the agenda of creating another 'bankable asset'. - A martyr.

    And I dare say the television-style fantasy of having one's 'Rumpole' moment in court IS more 'attractive' than having to deal with the somewhat dull facts of the matter...

    Especially to a "Daydream Believer"...

    I believe an admonishment is the proper sentence. And entering the appropriate plea in mitigation might precipitate that. And that need not necessarily mean letting Angiolini and co off the hook...

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  86. I wasn't going to post here again, but I am certainly going to answer your nasty comment.

    First of all, I don't actually know who you are - you are anonymous. You, on the other hand, know perfectly well who I am.

    Next, having been stitched up too many times already, by wicked people who pretend to be one thing and turn out to be another, I just don't see any point in me putting myself in the line of fire for more stitch ups by people who seem to have a massive block of marble instead of a heart.

    I wonder why Robert hasn't posted something yet? He has been totally silent. Where is he?

    I haven't called anyone a loony. What I have called people - Brian Gerrish and his friends - is a bunch of fraudsters. I have extremly good reason for calling him that and I will call him it to his face if ever I clap eyes on him again. You can convey that message to him yourself, should he ever want to come to Staffordshire again, if he knocks at my door he will be invited in for a cup of tea (we do things in a civilised way here in the Potteries) and a good sound lecture (complete with Bible verses) on the evil of defrauding people, leading people on the merry path and telling bare faced lies, and he would also be given an invitation to kneel before the Saviour and confess his sins and be prayed for and forgiven. Tell him that if you like, he already knows where I live!

    I think that is an evil thing you have written at the bottom of that comment - it is verging on libel or slander. I was subjected to many Social Service checks plus psychological assessments during my 7 years of torment in the secret family courts, and have all the paperwork. I have PTSD, which manifests itself in the form of physical symptoms, dreadful skin problems (bleeding hands and a crusty scalp which sheds skin all over the place), bloating and gut ache, insomnia, panic attacks (triggered by going near or even thinking about certain places or events) and pica. In spite of that, I cope pretty well, I keep a cheerul outlook most of the time, I play music to and excercise to keep myself as well as I can, and I have friends and family who support and love me. So if that nasty comment is referring to me having PTSD it is way under the belt.

    This really is my last post. I think I do not need to be goaded by anonymous libellous cowards.

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  87. "Clearly they have become very irritated because of the success of the campaign"

    "You can’t be much of a person/ parent if you are doing your up most to uphold abuse of children. And for that reason, there is suspicion that you are not the sort of persons children need to be around!!!"

    Echoes of GLW there; he was fond of 'projection' too...

    - In order to lecture I hold a full clean disclosure certificate... That IS a CRB check going back 20 years... Not so much as a parking ticket.

    - Your barely veilled hints that my character might be in doubt are risible. You know perfectly well that my contention is that perverts are efectively being given 'get out of jail cards' by much of the nonsense that has gone on...

    You also know that I'm challenging people to educate themselves in the law on reporting restrictions... Something they can and should do quite independantly of anything I have any control over...

    Read McNaes. Download and read the relevant acts. Contact credible groups such as Rape Crisis and ask them to explain why these restrictions exist... What effect 'naming and shaming' campaigns have on victims; and how they allow rapists to walk free from courts....

    It 'spoils the entertainment' for those who derives some sort of gratification out of lurid tales - and is bad for business in that respect.

    But it is fact - As is the matter of these things damaging the prospects of conviction... All issues I have explored at length in examining Greg Lance-Watkins agenda...

    ...Simply because others fly under a different false flag doesn't make those same actions equally nefarious!


    As for the Campaign - What "success" would that be then?

    - Hollie's case remains unreportable by the mainstream and descends daily further and further into the realms of fantasies about UFOs and 'Lizard People"...

    - It has been within hours of breaking in the mainstream several times now - And each and every time that has happened, some silly story has emerged from within 'the campaign' to (deliberately) thwart that...

    - Her Rapists' 'get out of jail' card is ever more assured... And on that score the only ones 'upholding child abuse' are those facilitating this by continuing to name names and spew out unproven accusations - i.e. those who (like GLW) are determined the online kangaroos court is the 'way to go'...

    - The case against Angiolini - credible though it is - is in danger of disappearing among the "chaff" of conspiracy theory...

    The "success" of the campaign? Unless you're talking from the perspective of a porn-peddling-paedophile the 'campaign' has piled tragedy upon tragedy!!!

    Again - EVERYTHING I've written about the law, reporting restrictions and indeed McKenzie and co can be verified by readers absolutely independently... In fact I URGE people to do so...

    DON'T just take my word for it...

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  88. I suspect it was I 'they' were getting at Barbara - The world and his wife have been given hints of where the cracks are in a certain facade...

    As Corporal Jones would say... "They don't like it up 'em"!

    Many months ago on my blog I warned the professional conspiracy theory crowd that I would treat them no differently from GLW. -It seems they are no better equipped than he to respond...

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  89. Oh dear, I'm not at all sure that Eng65's comment was directed at you Zoompad, perhaps he could clarify?
    It is the end of a long (part of the) road for many of us and I would rather we could end on an 'up' note.
    It is not Robert's way to respond to perceived 'attacks' on the campaign so I doubt he will comment. Belinda, Carl Sims, Ian Parker-Joseph will respond through holliedemandsjustice.org as they have done already., but I very much doubt we will get direct answers to any of our - entirely valid - questions. It is up to the individual to be wary of what happens next;
    who runs the campaign?
    who makes decisions?
    who is advising them?
    who gains?
    who made the decisions for Robert to act as he has done and be facing a custodial sentence?
    What will happen to this blog if Robert is 'otherwise occupied'

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  90. Belinda is responding in the comments section of holliedemandsjustice.org as apparently she is blocked from Robert's blog!
    Those of you interested in her views; http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/to-the-friends-and-supporters-of-hollie/

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  91. I suspect Robert is either overcome by the smell of coffee - and hopefully regrouping with some credible legal advisors...

    OR - The sequal is being planned...

    As I say; a window is open - I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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  92. Comical Ali's new replacement? - Belinda McKenzie...

    The comapny's called ClydeSIDE Television. I've already given my name clearly...

    And now she's claiming Robert's Blog isn't Robert's blog at all???? - But still somehow HE can disable the comments section...

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear... Lame or what?

    If it all gets deleted just go the 'the can of worms' blog... The discussion can continue elsewhere....

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  93. If Robert doesn't write/admin his own blog - WHO DOES?
    Who is 'admin' on holliedemandsjustice.org?
    @Eng65 who IS your comment directed at, is somebody putting words in your mouth?

    I may see you over at 'the can of worms' yet!

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  94. FINAL FINAL LAST WORD

    I will have to use this blog to reply to Belinda as I don't want to risk anyone from the BG camp maliciously informing Stafford Police again telling whopping great lies about me posting malicious emails, so here is Belinda's comment and underneath is the reply I would email her if I could safely do so:

    "with a fond nod to Barbara who is doing her best (but please give John Hemming a break, dear Barbara! He’s a politician and a clever one so could be very helpful to this cause having taken it on, but on the human level needs ecouragement and approbation, not to be continuously undermined and criticised (although I admit I haven’t understood precisely what happened between you and John). Your mentor of 2000 years ago worked with all kinds of questionable folk in the society and got the best out of them, which was one of the reasons why he got killed)."

    Belinda, I am not your dear, chuck, so please don't call me that.

    I told you very clearly what Hemming and his friends had done to me, over a 2 year period on MFJ, whats more there are people in the BG Fellowship who know perfectly well what went on, as they witnessed it. In spite of a massive effort of the mole Oree admin who had wangled their way into the lovely lady who set up MFJ's confidence to erase all the posts, its been saved, not only by me, but by others, but I have copied several files and buried them in a wood near where I live, lest I have my house raided again by document hunters.

    You refer to my friend and saviour Jesus Christ. Yes, he did make all sorts of friends, he was never too proud to be the friend of anyone, no matter how lowly and scabby they were, if they were old, fat, a bit loopy or whatever, he loved and still loves them all. He even loved the Pharasees who stitched him up and got him executed, he might have said sharp words to their faces but he yearned with all his heart for all of them to become righteous. Jesus never did any secret little deals with anyone of dubious repute or character, everything he did was always done with the utmost clarity and correctness. If he went to the muck pile it was only ever to pull people out! Sorry chuck, but that photo of you sitting at a Parliamentary table with those men made me feel sick.

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  95. Don't go into a strop as with head like in the film SCANNERS. I know how irritated you have all become, seeing your mindset and the paralysis of not getting your own way, leads to certain outburst of juvenility. There are certain persons who become very irritated that is a certain global delay depicts their characteristics and exposes their true agenda.

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  96. Well, certainly some very valid questions have been raised here...

    Again, I have to stress I am urging people to cross-check information for themselves here... But for the avoidance of any doubt:


    1) Belinda McKenzie is NOT being merely 'slagged off - as she would like it painted.

    - In fact she has been exposed as a prominent professional conspiracy theorist.

    - She has been exposed as being connected to some very lucrative 'ventures' - some of which have a very dubious background and conclusions...

    - Her motives therefore are being seriously questioned...

    One of the key criticisms I made of GLW was that; had he been half the campaigner he claimed to be, he would be well acquinted with the law on reporting...

    I exposed him therefore as either a fraud or one with maliferous motives...

    There is no shred of doubt that McKenzie IS a well experienced campaigner and manipulator of the media. Therefore much as ignorance of the law is never a defence in any case - in her's it's not even a possible explanation!!


    2) It is a matter of fact and record that Robert Green has faced SEVERE and OPEN criticism from me - See the 'Can of Worms Blog'

    - He is therefore a long way from being 'untouchable'.

    3) There's a response to Mckenzie above where she called me a 'lowlife'. My name is cleary stated in the response... And in any case is easily associated with the company name...

    Mark gives HIS full name...

    Pyrite - Hmm... Well again; as McKenzie has apparently caused some people quite a bit of alarm with her 'Polish Builder' friend; perhaps some people have good reason to stay undercover?

    As for the rest of her bluster... Well; as she's plainly experieced enough to know the law she must also know the damage people like her do TO the legitimate cause of fighting child and other abuses...

    I beleive there is sufficient evidence to form the opinion that here IS an individual who makes a very good living from promoting conspiracy theories...

    The fact that her actions work AGAINST the ends of justice seems not to bother her... Not a 'slagging' but a cogent analysis.

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  97. Eng65 - You're talking in riddles again.

    Clearly you've seen one-too-many kid's science fiction/horror movie... Which is as sad as it is boring.

    We're talking about a little girl who was raped - and how her case has been hijacked variously by porn peddlars and latterly the mecinary dogs of the conspiracy theory trade...

    Movies aren't real life. Back up your projector; the film's about to snap!

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  98. The following appeal has gone out on the "official website". I would like to know a good deal more about this fund before considering making a donation.

    Legal Fund

    Having exhausted all the official avenues open to Hollie to bring her culprits to book, she is now proceeding down the path of instigating a private prosecution against her abusers.
    Unfortunately, this will involve considerable expense in employing a legal team to assist her in these endeavors.
    There are many supporters and friends of Hollie who have supported her throughout this terrible ordeal, the time is now right for Hollie to call upon not only those who are aware of her problems, but all those in the outside community who would be prepared to assist her by making a contribution towards the costs and expenses in bringing such a prosecution.

    You are therefore invited to make such a donation, no matter how small or large, to ensure that justice is done and that the culprits are brought to book. It is very sad that the authorities who are charged with this responsibility have singularly failed to carry out there public duty and it is now left to Hollie, her mother and friends to take the matter forward.

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  99. I really really really didnt want to make any more posts on this blog, but having glanced at the last post on the other one run bt the Belinda camp felt that I must, and this on is made in the assumption that Robert Green genuinly is a good person (which is what I believe) who has been led a merry dance:

    Whoever is running this blog is doing a fantastic good job, there's a lot of stuff come out into the open that needed to be aired, painful as it is. Robert, if you are reading this I hope you will on no account change the admin for anything!

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  100. Ah - good Zoompad! don't leave us just yet, there is more dirty laundry to be aired!

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  101. Certain matters have been raised here...

    The rationalle has been explained... Links are given to matters of record. And for those so inclined those links provide the starting point of a reseach journey...

    Now - I keep repeating myself I know - But I'm asking people NOT to just take my word for anything; but to do their OWN research...


    What do we actually see as a response to that?

    - Veilled hints as to my suitability as a parent - Based on what exactly? Obscure references to science fiction movies - On McKenzie's part deliberate evasion of the facts...

    Where are the cogent counters to the points made? Where are the rebuttals? Where are the explanations that might lead us to ind the conclusions reached are incorrect??

    How does McKenzie explain away the pattern that has emerged? Iran Aid, Make Wars History, Starchild...

    Donations are sought for some 'cause', money is made on promotional events and material, and ultimately where does it go????

    Now I believe funds are to be raised for a private prosecution? Where will they go I wonder?

    McKenzie must be fully aware that what I am saying about the prospects of prosecution being damaged by all these names and allegations 'floting around' is perfectly true - I urge people to verify this for themselves...

    It matters not if it's private, or funded by the CPS/Procurator Fiscal... Like MWH a project designed from the start to fail?

    Or the last gasp of a now disrupted commercial venture??

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  102. New on the 'official' campaign website;

    LEGAL FUND
    Having exhausted all the official avenues open to Hollie to bring her culprits to book, she is now proceeding down the path of instigating a private prosecution against her abusers.
    Unfortunately, this will involve considerable expense in employing a legal team to assist her in these endeavors.
    There are many supporters and friends of Hollie who have supported her throughout this terrible ordeal, the time is now right for Hollie to call upon not only those who are aware of her problems, but all those in the outside community who would be prepared to assist her by making a contribution towards the costs and expenses in bringing such a prosecution.

    You are therefore invited to make such a donation, no matter how small or large, to ensure that justice is done and that the culprits are brought to book. It is very sad that the authorities who are charged with this responsibility have singularly failed to carry out there public duty and it is now left to Hollie, her mother and friends to take the matter forward.

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  103. Mark, I'm too tired, and whats more I am not exactly the cleverest person in the world, look at the mistake I made above. Anyway, the Lord has told me to give it a rest, as have my friends and family!

    Robert is a very clever man, and if he is also a good man (as I think he is) then he will be assessing what has happened, and won't need anyone like me.

    I'll just keep praying about the situation though, but I think I had better take a rest from blogging and try to sort my health out, I don't think all the blogging is having a good effect on me in that sense.

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  104. Fair play to you Zoompad - I am off now too into the fresh air.
    Robert is a good man and he will be assessing everything.

    Mark

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  105. Very interesting that Belinda post, can't help but LOL!

    Update coming tomorrow (Wed 8th) including more about "donations" no time today!

    TTFN.

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  106. Put your money where your mouth is Clyde. You use a two bob blog. Mooching down for your JSA can of "T" ten fags too boot.

    Your just another lamer. "there in spirit brigade" All you want to do is use verbal tennis and promote yourself as someone who thinks he knows it all but simply knows nothing.

    Stick a pim in yer head and let it deflate.

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  107. Matt john is a good guy who has stuck with this for a long time,John ,Matt is a good guy who has stuck with this a long time.

    http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/9516665.Campaigner_found_guilty/

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  108. http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/9516665.Campaigner_found_guilty/

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  109. Lol @ John Banks - I'm surprised at you! You or I may not agree with everything he says but you cannot deny Matt makes some very valid points which cannot be ignored.

    I wouldn't have figured you to be one for name calling ...

    - can I clear up something for Belinda? she is not blocked from commenting here and she never has been - she is welcome to comment here. Robert believes in free speech and does not block commenters or delete their comments, thanks

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  110. Words are cheap anyone can spout them. There is an opening a very signifcant one. A chance lost is a chance lost forever and it seems that area is being neglected.

    Too many are is still comforming to "dough thy cap" because it is a way out for them. Talk about blinkered vision.

    Chances like this don't come that often, and still too many bitch.

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  111. What opening? What lost chance?
    Who is doffing their cap?

    I'm afraid I just don't understand what you mean

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  112. Well you should do since it is stearing most in the face. Do you know what stops most FEAR that they will be put where Anne was, or possibly worse.

    Robert has a lot of guts and would put most to shame.

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  113. http://scottishlaw.blogspot.com/2012/02/sheriff-in-12million-trial-of-anti.html

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  114. I don't say anything bad about Robert, I very much admire the man.

    I am here asking questions about those that purport to support/advise or benefit from his actions, I think those questions have a right to be heard.

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  115. As I say ENG56 - back up that projector...

    "JSA can of "T" ten fags too boot."

    ROFLMAO...

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  116. Glad you have a sense of Humour Clyde. Now tippy toe to PC and attack the lot for what they are worth.

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  117. Eng65 - YOu'd get futher if you stopped talking in kiddie's riddles.

    As I said before - Where are the cogent counters to the points made?

    Where are the logical rebuttals?

    Where are the explanations that might lead us to find the conclusions reached are incorrect??

    - You've got nothing have you? Zilch... Zero..

    Just a few pitifully cheap jibes. You just go for it eng if it makes you happy - not even the courage to put your own name to what you write. -As you say; words are cheap...

    Meaningful ones seem to be beyond your budget though...

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  118. Tut tut don't loose your rag with me, I'm nobody just as much as you and i don't need to portray what i will never be. There are persons who could and should do something with the knowledge they purport.

    Enough has been reported on the goings on with the Scottish Legal System. However, where does it go? WHY!!

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  119. Oh I see - It's OK for YOU to start chipping away at other people's moral foundations - Even suggest that they're benefit bludgers and alcoholics... that they're not fit to be parents...

    - But we're not to 'loose[sic] the rag with you'?

    How very rational...

    What part of my explanation as to why I'm not making a programme is unclear to you? It's all there; just a few posts back... Feb 6, 2012 03:31 PM

    - Perhaps you're relying on people not trawling back that far?

    - And STILL -

    NO cogent counters to the points made?

    NO logical rebuttals?

    NO explanations that might lead us to find the conclusions reached are incorrect??

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  120. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf1T85l7tw&feature=g-all-u&context=G2013642FAAAAAAAAKAA

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  121. How powerful is what's already been reported in the Hyperlink i posted earlier?

    I'm no legal eagle, although i know the difference between right and wrong. To me, the goings with the Scottish Legal System is wrong.

    They choose to do as they like, when and how they like. This does not follow the natural route of justice, and many are denied justice because of it.

    This is not just about incompetence, but deliberate dereliction of duty. It is the silence of them that is the give away. There have never been any meetings that i am aware of, where those in power have dispelled public concern.

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  122. The "Admin" at HDJ.org has posted in the comment section there:

    "Technical Investigations indicate that we have every reason to believe that the posters and the admins [on Mr. Green's blog] are the same people."

    This is an ABJECT LIE!

    My 'beef' with Mr. Quinn several days ago was that I became concerned that someone reading his latest posting on Can-of-worms might go away with the impression that Mr. Green was here to benefit financially from this case... and the opinion I have formed of Mr. Green over the past two years is that that is ANYTHING BUT the case!

    As it happens I am likewise not aware of the people/persons at the 'official' HDJ.org website profiting financially from this case...

    HOWEVER, the reaction to Mr. Quinn's quite justified probing of their background I am sorry to say can only set alarm bells ringing. Instead of a reasoned address to the points Mr. Quinn has raised, we instead have bluster and rabble-rousing. Pathetic. Do the people at HDJ.org think that the Sun, Express and Daily Mail journalists will perhaps be more easy-going on them or something?

    As well as the abject lie I noted at the start, in the past week we have also been treated to:

    * the sight of "Carol Sims" on this blog (among others) INTENTIONALLY trying to put the safety of a teenage girl at risk -- which tells me all I need to know about that person's commitment to justice.

    * the allegation that one of the people at the official website puts spyware onto peoples' computers that visit his/her website.

    * the latest posting at HDJ.org being made by "Anne"... reminding me of when the depraved Watkins used to sign his depraved blog entries, "Hollie." Does this mean the people at HDJ.org are going down that insane monster's route in more ways than one, then?

    And as for disingenuous claim made at HDJ.org of "us" being critical of Anne Greig...NO-ONE here has been critical of Anne Greig! No-one with an ounce of decency or shred of sanity would criticise that poor woman. Something that separates people of compassion from others, you see...

    Oh, and as for the other comments on HDJ.org calling for the comments section on this blog to be shut down...will be by the same people who no doubt encouraged Mr. Green to base his recent legal defence around the right to DEFEND FREE SPEECH?

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  123. Good points well made Aptl, I do think the admin at HDJ.org have no idea about common courtesy never mind understanding why a comments section exists.

    The allegation about spyware was levelled at Carl Sims. Carl Sims is the man who recently lost in excess of £5,500 putting on this event to which nearly 18 people turned up

    http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Stoke%20Event.htm

    And we are expected to trust this person asking for donations through his website for a legal fund for Hollie and Anne?

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  124. Eng65 said:

    "..no one can receive or can ever receive a fair trial or a fair hearing.."

    An interesting post, given that you are presumably the same Eng65 who is posting on the HDJ.org site that the people who are commenting here are themselves child-abusers.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a child-abuser.

    However, I may (or may not) be one (or more) of the following:

    * A Mason

    * A Witch

    * A Warlock

    * MI5

    * A Satanist

    * A Scottish Sheriff

    * Oogy boogy

    Does that satisfy you Eng65?

    No doubt with your keen ability to sniff out the truth you'll soon have me sussed out for what I am (or aren't). Now run along you pathetic little arsebag and take your despicable line in slander somewhere else.

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  125. Look in to the mirror what do you see.

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  126. Hmmm - GLW was fond of that 'mirror' line too...

    So; what DO you see in YOUR mirroe ENG65?

    -Still no cogent counters to any of the serious points made? No logical explanations? No direct rebuttals?

    Just childish riddle-me lines... Quite telling.

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  127. Had to split this over a couple of posts...

    Projection was (probably still is) one of GLW's most favoured techniques. It's actually quite a common technique used by those who wish to deflect attention away from something. - I need to concede at this point that at least he had the balls to put his own name to his bunkum.

    I believe the Eng65 and cronies are really revealing more about themselves than anything else - It's notable that there are still no rational rebuttals or answers to any of the questions raised.

    It is a matter of record; I have said all along that Green's prosecution was a persecution. It is also a matter of record that I outlined the basic questions that would have needed to be addressed when constructing a legitimate defence...

    One of the most relevant points is that GLW would frequently try to cast the idea that Robert's prosecution would clear the names of those named in Hollie's allegations. - I would routinely dispel that myth by pointing out that Robert's trial would address but a single issue; and that would NOT be the troublesome allegations...

    - which of course means that the converse is true; Robert's trial was never and COULD never be about either Hollie's allegations or indeed the cover up...

    As I've detailed on my blog; Robert was convicted via summary process. That is to say a mechanistic process. - If you put meat in a grinder the only thing that can possibly happen to it is you get mince out the other end - unless you stop the process. - You won't get ice cream, steak, or clean clear spring water out of a grinder; just mince... That's ALL the machine can possibly do. That is ALL it’s designed to do.

    Now; let’s be clear about this – I am NOT letting Angiolini ‘off the hook’ here. She would of course have known the nature of summary process. And this possibly explains why Robert was ‘done’ on such a relatively minor charge. – She knew she could NEVER be called – And that the presiding Sheriff would HAVE to disallow material that deviated from the core issue...

    Now - The plain simple undeniable FACT is that NOTHING Robert said or did before or during the trial actually addressed the matter before the court... It’s simply not credible that the legitimate legal professionals (who may well be quite different and separate from his ‘legal team’) Robert had access to would have advised him to travel this route... And it’s notable the number who walked.

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  128. I am no legal eagle either; but it is a matter of fact I lecture in media law... SO have at least some grounding in it.

    As any of my former students will confirm, we look at the Shayler case in the course of studies and in particular how HIS 'public interest' defence failed too... That at least had some basis in law. But like Robert's defence it's quite a transparent an obvious candidate for failure...

    Again; I urge people to do the research for themselves. NOT to take my word for anything - and draw their own conclusions from an informed standpoint...

    There is, I contend, something of a 'common thread' between Shayler's 'defence' and what Robert Green chose to 'run' with...

    Both, after logical analysis, were bound, one might say 'designed' to fail. Inevitable a jail sentence would follow and inevitable cries of 'foul' would provide a potential career path for the newly-created martyr of the (at oft times) quasi-religious world of conspiracy theory...

    NOW; Apart from bluff, bluster and slander there has been absolutely NOTHING put forward to indicate that Belinda McKenzie is anything other than a high profile PROFESSIONAL conspiracy theorist...

    There is a pattern of irregularity about what she does -

    - Projects that are designed to fail 'pop up', attract donations which go where exactly?

    - These project collapses after a while... The circus moves on to the next act...

    Take the current one – donations being sought for a private prosecution; of whom exactly? - Such an action can EASILY cost £250,000 - Bear in mind Green’s BOP persecution cost the public purse and estimated £500K...

    And it remains fact that, with everything that has been made so very very public in terms of names and detail – the most likely candidates for prosecution will walk out the court laughing up their sleeves... A fair trial having been made impossible...

    ANOTHER donation-seeking project that could bump along gathering nice green-crinkly moss for a few years before petering out?

    - A string of irregularly-run businesses and other ‘enterprises’ with which McKenzie has or is closely associated show this to be her modus operandi . And bear in mind; these are all matters of public record which YOU, the reader can verify for yourself...

    ‘Patsys’ are set up to ‘take the drop – Note the strong similarity between Shayler’s legal ‘fall’ and the way Robert was set up for an inevitable prosecution... Yet another pattern emerges... I’m left wondering how long it will take for Mr Green to be persuaded that high heels a dodgy wig and some improbable inflatable boobs are the way the truth and the life that is likely to prove most profitable... Life being such a cabaret for Belinda’s Patsys!

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  129. Why do you have to challenge me? What is your objective parse? I have made it clear; everyone is entitled to their own opinion, without being brow beaten to conform to others.

    The goings on in Scotland can easily be seen by anyone who wishes to observe. I think i am right in saying that many would agree, the goings on are wrong.

    If you continue to confuse people they will loose interest and walk away.

    Muddying the waters is another sabotage technique and is being used widely here. Anyway trustees of Charities do not have direct access to funds, and only the Chair can authorise distribution of money.

    If you want to help Matt, then open your eyes and do what many are trying to do. I have said before, this is not just about Hollie, but Children and vulnerable adults.

    Those in High places have to understand we are about to shut your playground down. Our children are not your toys, to destroy and discard. As a parent yourself, you must understand, but what do you see in the mirror matt? Tell me?

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  130. Eng65 - YOU ask that question seriously? And make that comment seriously? And there you go with yet another childish riddle...

    YOU; who have inferred that those who don't follow YOUR particular 'way truth and light' are perverts, alcoholics etc etc... Browbeaten?? Seriously???

    And you even ask why you HAVE to be challenged?

    - Simply because you are either dishonest or stupid; and as such a danger to the serious cause of exposing and ending the dull grey harsh reality that is child abuse...

    You apparently wish to cling to a 'glamourised' fanciful worldview that ties this vile practice into modern day folklore - to feed of the lurid stories and the DVDs and the films and the conferences -

    I just want to see perverts rot in jail!

    Is your grasp of reality seriously that weak? - Or maybe you're just playing to a target audience who you believe ARE that easily lead?

    You do seem very VERY similar to GLW in rationalle...

    If I 'continue to confuse people'? Risible!

    - I'm not the one tilting at windmills; or for that matter growing wealthy off conspiracy theory...

    The simple plain truth is that the only people who benefit from Hollie's, and indeed other cases being tied up with stories about UFO abductions, money-raising scams and the general entertainment industry which IS the conspiracy circuit ARE the ringmasters...

    You have the cheek to pontificate about muddied waters and the plight of abuse victims. But STILL not one rational cogent counter to anything I've said...

    I've invited people to research FOR THEMSELVES the 'black holes' down which monies seem to have disappeared. I have invited them to contrast and compare FOR THEMSELVES the patterns that emerge...

    The only people muddying the waters are the conspiracy trade - and it IS just a trade; in places quite a tawdry one...

    - Fairy stories about masonic plots. People throwing themselves on the fire and then complaining how it conspired to burn them- None of this is credible or rational or useful.

    - The muddied waters created by the conspiracy trade are what equip people like those who raped Hollie Greig to laugh up their sleeve... To carry on in THEIR vile trade in human misery...

    So the harsh reality is that far from doing anything to bring an end to child abuse; Conspiracy theory - by dint of the fact it Is essentially modern day folklore - facilitates much wrongdoing being easily dismissed... And thus sustained.

    - That IS after all (in my opinion of course ;-) ) why Greg Lance-Watkins initially duped Robert Green into taking the case down that road...

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  131. From the appeal for funds on the HDJ.org website:

    "..the time is now right for Hollie to call upon not only those who are aware of her problems..."

    To me there is actually something "Jonestown"-like in that rhetoric.

    Will we next be presented with something like "Ghost shirts"-for-Hollie-Greig? (The mostly decent people who follow and post on HDJ.org should look up "ghost shirts" if they don't get this reference.)

    I am actually coming round to the opinion that there may be one or more people at HDJ.org who are actually quite dangerous individuals (and no, I don't mean in terms of to the political status quo).

    And before the people at HDJ.org no doubt accuse me of trying to 'spike' their campaign, my comments are offered without reference to the rightness or wrongness of pursuing a private prosecution (although I remember Mr. Green or was it Stuart Usher saying at one point in the past that a private prosecution had not been pursued up to then as the Lord Advocate in Scotland has the final say on whether private prosecutions can go ahead.)

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  132. Can I ask a question Matt?

    Do you think it possible that Belinda McKenzie is acting unwittingly? The road to hell being paved with the best intentions etc.

    She doesn't after all try to keep any of her activism secret

    Carl Sims on the other hand is a HIGHLY secretive person with a slew of enemies he has made through-out his life - I believe David Icke told him to STFU recently over the Hollie case - this, to me is very concerning. He wants the decision making power over this case but no one is to know about him!

    Yes Aptl I think you are right in saying the Lord Advocate has the final say in whether it can proceed

    I will look up 'ghost shirts'

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  133. David Icke has always been a staunch supporter of Robert's as you know and regardless what you think of Icke's own writings the publicity alone he gave to Hollie's case boosted it tremendously.

    I don't know the full story of what Carl Sims DID to annoy David Icke but there goes support for HDJ.org from one of the main web traffic routes.

    And Carl Sims is in charge of a publicity campaign??

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  134. The Lord Advocate does indeed have the final say on a private prosecution. Someone sent me the link the other day...

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2006/11/22132102/6

    "In certain circumstances an individual may seek to prosecute another person for a criminal offence. This is called a private prosecution. To bring a private prosecution you must have the Lord Advocate's consent. This process is very costly and you cannot claim legal aid. It is therefore very rare."

    Very costly means £250K+ As I've said; the reason (and I'm NOT defending it) that the Police won't have proceeded in the first place is that the case, while compelling, would have been a budgetary nightmare to prosecute...

    Belinda doesn't keep any of her activism secret? Fair point; but how would we know? And why would it matter when she seems to operate on the basis than any and all detractors are immediately accused of being state spies or worse?

    Sims - The fact that he's better at covering his tracks does ring an alarm bell yes.

    Many years ago when investigating some of the scams that were going on up here I learned that a favourite trick was to massage the ego of certain followers by placing them in 'responsible' positions... One day I happened to accompany the 'Treasurer' of one of these charities to the shops; the woman was literally not numerate enough to count her change from a £10 not! - And they had her signing cheques and accounts and purchase orders!!!

    - SO -is it possible Belinda's being mislead?

    You'd have to admit the possibility. BUT -there's the property and the deep pockets and - does she seem the sort who might have learning difficulties? Because you'd probably have to be talking about someone THAT challenged in my view...

    But yes; 'Sims' - A number of possibilities rotate around him.

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  135. Icke, Like Robert I have some severe criticisms for. I am quite cynical about what he does; and often feel he does more harm than good...

    However, he doesn't emanate malice in my view. He's right up there with Billy Buchanan of Bonnybrigg fame and the Little Ale-inn...

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  136. When might Tales of Billy Buchanan of Bonnybrigg and the Little Ale-inn be available in blog format for our reading pleasure? :)

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  137. Hooo Probably never... There's no real story; they're just funny

    Billy has been around for yonks - Just look up the Falkirk Triangle. He wanted to build a UFO theme park in what is a chronic unemployment blackspot...

    Except...

    Bonnybrigg is in direct line with and slightly elevated with Edinburgh airport. If you've ever seen the leading edge of an aircraft illuminated by the just-set sun behind you you'll get the idea...

    And most of his 'witnesses' were 'total jakeies' as we say in Glasgow...

    If you ever visit Rachel Nevada it IS compulsory that you visit the Ale-Inn - It's also illegal to return the the UK without some inflatable space creatures, tea towels, mugs etc... It doesn't take itself TOO seriously... Even though Billy did!

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  138. It has been mendaciously claimed on the "official website" that I am the administrator on this blog. I have posted a comment explaining exactly why this is bunkum but it has been blocked by the moderator.

    For the record, I handed this blog over to Robert on November 23rd 2011 and have had nothing to do with it since then.

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  139. We will see. No one knows what the outcome will be. Good byee don't cryee, wipe the tear baby dear from your eyee. Chin Chin.

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  140. As I'm sure most of you are aware...some of us have been invited by Sarah McLeod to "blog on our own blogs."

    Well, i don't have a blog Sarah...but this one is getting better by the day..

    http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.com/2012/02/we-at-missing-pieces-like-puzzles.html#comment-form

    I'm dead jealous actually, wish i had made that blog...its spot on so far but i will keep my eye out to see if it detracts from the truth so whoever you lot are over there....I'm watching you!!

    Now Sarah...if you don't mind i will continue. (Until the comments get shut down as in Robert Green's dictatorship I'm sure they will!)

    My response to Belinda McKenzie.

    How quite you measure success Belinda I'm not sure. There have been many good people involved with HDJ and most have left after a little investigation.

    If, like you suggest, you measure success in numbers, I assure you they come to have a good laugh and nothing more!

    Or maybe you measure success in how well you can terrify and intimidate innocent people? Yes, I have to admit you have succeeded there.

    As for no one “having a go at Robert” well that is not quite correct. I for one have over the years have many times pointed out his clumsy, incompetent, irrational behaviour, but these days it is virtually impossible to voice an opinion as the free speech he so ardently claims to believe in is not allowed for anyone who voices any dissent or is suspected as a traitor!! As you have found out to your peril! LOL!!!

    Right, onto the main body of your message.

    Yes, I have much better things to do with my time….(hence why this is late) but YOU are a dangerous individual and people should be warned!

    Your next line is absolutely priceless!!!

    “degrading yourselves digging the dirt on people you’ve never met and know nothing about.”

    Now I haven’t looked around the other blogs yet, but I surely cannot be the first to point out that isn’t that exactly what YOU and your cohorts are doing? Not only that, but frightening and intimidating them also!!!

    Then you move on to SLAG us off!! (Priceless….just priceless!) Have you got nothing better to do?

    Well, if we are such terrible researcher’s Belinda, please put us out of our misery and explain a few of the things we have brought up will you?

    NO, YOU WONT…..will you?

    You have been asked that before and you have NEVER answered any of them!!

    I couldn’t believe you had the Gaul to talk about men, women and children dying in the Middle East when YOU allegedly couldn’t keep track of 5 million quid, and it obviously didn’t arrive where it should have!!

    (By the way, couldn’t lend us a 100k could you?)

    Seriously Belinda, show us the proof, show us the evidence and I will be the first to apologise. But given what is obvious out there, and your refusal to explain, it is rather difficult isn’t it?

    It’s quite funny how you keep crowing on about how good Robert Green is…very clever! You’re a real professional.

    Finally…..i address this to John Banks… Eng65

    You said the following….. “Some of the posters on Roberts’s blog belong in a Kindergarten and their behaviour, i.e. attitude depicts their mindset of those who are a risk to children/vulnerable adults.”

    “You can’t be much of a person/ parent if you are doing your up most to uphold abuse of children. And for that reason, there is suspicion that you are the abusers of children/ vulnerable adults.”

    What a complete reprobate you seem to be! Would you care to apologise?

    Listen DIMWIT!.... You support a complete idiot that travels around the country with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER accusing individuals of the most horrific crime that most of us care to think about, terrifying little old ladies and you have the cheek to accuse us of being terrible parents and supporters of paedophiles!!!

    You do the HDJ cause grand don’t you John!

    I would further suggest that it has to be considered whether you are doing the best for the fight against child abuse any benefit at all!

    End.

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  141. Now, in reply to ANNE….

    To the Friends and Supporters of Hollie
    Posted on February 6, 2012 by Anne
    I would like to say thank you to all the loyal friends and supporters who have given their time and effort to see Justice for Hollie over the years this campaign has been running.

    The friends of Hollie and myself are again under attack with concerted efforts to discredit them, thanks for ignoring the destructive comments on others blogs and please “Keep Calm and Carry On”. This campaign is far from over.


    Our prayers and thoughts are with you all, especially Robert Green.
    Your continued support is what inspires us to continue, your prayers are what sustain us.
    Hollie will get Justice in the end.
    Thank you

    Dear Anne,

    You are not very well and you need some help, and not the help that Robert Green is attempting to give you!

    I agree though that this is a good time to rally the troops because just like the Euro, your campaign is close to collapse.

    Your case is attracting all sorts of individuals now….professional insiders with links to Mi5 because it just can’t be allowed to continue and innocent individuals harmed as they would be if this fallacy of a case becomes too public.

    “Your continued support is what inspires us to continue, your prayers are what sustain us.”

    And of course their donations are what keep you comfortable eh? In fact, where do the donations go Anne? You have a big button on your site don’t you! Let’s have some of that famous transparency please! Although if Belinda is looking after them I would be carful there if I was you!

    I urge you for the sake of Hollie, give up now and live the rest of your life in peace with your child.

    Unless you can cut a deal to get your ex-husband to return to face the charges and forget about the rest of the bullshit…..that’s what it is Anne….bullshit.

    Sleep well.

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  142. My response to Belinda McKenzie.

    How quite you measure success Belinda I'm not sure. There have been many good people involved with HDJ and most have left after a little investigation.

    If, like you suggest, you measure success in numbers, I assure you they come to have a good laugh and nothing more!

    Or maybe you measure success in how well you can terrify and intimidate innocent people? Yes, I have to admit you have succeeded there.

    As for no one “having a go at Robert” well that is not quite correct. I for one have over the years have many times pointed out his clumsy, incompetent, irrational behaviour, but these days it is virtually impossible to voice an opinion as the free speech he so ardently claims to believe in is not allowed for anyone who voices any dissent or is suspected as a traitor!! As you have found out to your peril! LOL!!!

    Right, onto the main body of your message.

    Yes, I have much better things to do with my time….(hence why this is late) but YOU are a dangerous individual and people should be warned!

    Your next line is absolutely priceless!!!

    “degrading yourselves digging the dirt on people you’ve never met and know nothing about.”

    Now I haven’t looked around the other blogs yet, but I surely cannot be the first to point out that isn’t that exactly what YOU and your cohorts are doing? Not only that, but frightening and intimidating them also!!!

    Then you move on to SLAG us off!! (Priceless….just priceless!) Have you got nothing better to do?

    Well, if we are such terrible researcher’s Belinda, please put us out of our misery and explain a few of the things we have brought up will you?

    NO, YOU WONT…..will you?

    You have been asked that before and you have NEVER answered any of them!!

    I couldn’t believe you had the Gaul to talk about men, women and children dying in the Middle East when YOU allegedly couldn’t keep track of 5 million quid, and it obviously didn’t arrive where it should have!!

    (By the way, couldn’t lend us a 100k could you?)

    Seriously Belinda, show us the proof, show us the evidence and I will be the first to apologise. But given what is obvious out there, and your refusal to explain, it is rather difficult isn’t it?

    It’s quite funny how you keep crowing on about how good Robert Green is…very clever! You’re a real professional.

    Finally…..i address this to John Banks… Eng65

    You said the following….. “Some of the posters on Roberts’s blog belong in a Kindergarten and their behaviour, i.e. attitude depicts their mindset of those who are a risk to children/vulnerable adults.”

    “You can’t be much of a person/ parent if you are doing your up most to uphold abuse of children. And for that reason, there is suspicion that you are the abusers of children/ vulnerable adults.”

    What a complete reprobate you seem to be! Would you care to apologise?

    Listen DIMWIT!.... You support a complete idiot that travels around the country with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER accusing individuals of the most horrific crime that most of us care to think about, terrifying little old ladies and you have the cheek to accuse us of being terrible parents and supporters of paedophiles!!!

    You do the HDJ cause grand don’t you John!

    I would further suggest that it has to be considered whether you are doing the best for the fight against child abuse any benefit at all!

    End.

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  143. As nothing but support is allowed over on http://holliedemandsjustice.org

    D.Lewis on February 8, 2012 at 8:59 pm said:
    People must be aware of the provocateurs who get into blogs and start tearing at the very fabric of those who are working together. The ever-popular “divide and conquer.” Please be aware that the more successful you are the more this will be done. DO NOT let those who mean to divide you get away with this. Look back and know with what you are dealing. Stand strong together, please, for Hollie, Anne and Robert’s sake…

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    Anne
    on February 8, 2012 at 10:13 pm said:
    Thank you very much for that comment

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    Pyrite
    on February 9, 2012 at 1:11 am said:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    “provocateurs” no such thing on here mate….just the delusional and those who are trying to protect the innocent.

    Some others are out to exploit anyone they can to further there needs……real shame.

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  144. And again.....

    buster on February 8, 2012 at 10:20 pm said:
    This character assassination is remeniscent of ‘mobbing’, usually carried out by government agents. Otherwise it must be some who are so puffed up with their own importance that they need to attack others to get their satisfaction. Just cut it out and remember why you were here in the first place. There are more important matters than spite and ego here. True friends would never behave this way, they would rather protect those they profess to care about!
    Love to all true supporters.

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    Pyrite
    on February 9, 2012 at 1:14 am said:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    You have no idea who the real agents are!!

    I should look inside if i were you!

    And then step outside to see the truth…if you can…or if your allowed!

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  145. zoompad - kindly qualify your statement about the Ian Josephs being "bad" as you put it. I put it to you that you havent a clue what youre talking about and you know little of which you speak. Also, one should not make an opinion on someone because of how their voice sounds. This conclusion, to me, is a bit silly. Prof. Steven Hawking speaks via a machine, enabling him to. I dread to think of your opinion of that.

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  146. I contacted Ian, who ive known for some time, who replies:
    "My name is IAN JOSEPHS,nothing to do with a parker-joseph. Yes in 1955 Michael Heseltine and I started out in Clanricarde Gardens Notting hill,long before it was fashionable, living in one bed sitter each and no money ! I am sorry Zoompad does not like my face and I have never been embarassed meeting her or anyone else ;why should I be ?, I can only say it is better to attack your enemies (the ss etc) than your allies (people who help parents to fight the ss).
    We aim to abolish "punishment without crime,forced adoption,and the gagging of parents and children.

    They said I COULD NOT BE VERIFIED ! WEIRD......
    IAN"
    His final words about not being verified is meaning he couldnt comment as such as it wouldnt accept his comment, hence my adding it...b.

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  147. I find it interesting the peoplke like Hemming, who i cant see has done much for child abuse in this country, gets the company of Belinda Mckenzie {as stated in these comments earlier} AND ALSO Sabine Mcneill, who became involved in the Musa case late summer last year. Certain people, including myself, in the Musa camp have grave doubts as to Mcneills genuineness, for certain reasons, and i am intrigued to see Mckenzies name linked also to government spooks, parliament meetings, and Mcneill.
    I have emails from Hemming saying from him how he wouldnt be helping in the Musa case because Gloria Musa was not honest, and he couldnt rely on what she said. No mentin that now 6 children were taken illegally.
    The reason im stating this in these comments is because Belinda Mckenzie features "prominently" some might say in the Hollie Greig case, and she has attempted to feature in the Musa case recently, to my amazement.
    ...b.

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  148. Butlincat - you ask Ian Josephs why he is sending unsuspecting victims to Ludwig Lowenstein. I wont hold my breath waiting for an answer though!

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  149. Butlincat (I would love to know your real name) Your Stephen Hawkins quote is very very silly, and you are trying to slander me by making out that I judge people on how they speak. If you want to make scripts up on what people say I suggest you get in touch with the BBC Radio 4 department as I hear they are always on the look out for new playrights!

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  150. Let’s address something quickly while I have the time.

    Isn’t it strange how Robert has never ever had a debate? The only time he had anyone question him was Mark Daly. Daly asked one perfectly normal question and green completely went loopy! Robert Green does not debate because it would detract from his STORY

    We all have to sit around and listen like good boys and girls; funny how the intelligent ones have run for the hills isn’t it!

    What’s left (and I mean no disrespect) are the more fragile, the needy, the weak opposition, and you are being exploited like hell!!

    Let him come on here…..I’m sure someone can show him how to type on a blog!! Let him explain all this stuff that needs to be explained…..do you think he will? LMFAO!!! NO WAY!

    He manages to type harassing emails though doesn’t he!

    But this is exactly his way….he lets others do his dirty work and the he can sit back and say “oh I didn’t know!!” …“it’s all a conspiracy!!”

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  151. OH PEEPS YOU GOTA SEE THIS!! It’s about Robert Green harassing Mr Sears no less...almost a carbon copy of what he is doing now!

    It contains such beautiful nuggets like this...

    "Your conduct in respect of the above incidents clearly amounts to harassment. We understand that the Police have already written to you about these matters. This letter is to give you notice of the fact that harassment constitutes both a criminal offence and a civil wrong under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997"


    And even BETTER, proof Robert Green has form when it comes to accusing people....wait for it.....WITHOUT EVIDENCE!

    "You have referred, in previous correspondence, to complaint having been made, including to the Metropolitan Police and the Solicitors Regulatory Authority (both of which have investigatory powers) and to Mr Sears’ client IATA; and, in relation to such alleged complaint, you have referred to “evidence” and to a “full file”. Yet you have not produced a single jot of evidence to us, despite many requests by us. To the best of our knowledge, you have not produced any evidence to the police, to the SRA, to IATA or to anyone else."

    "We have seen nothing to suggest that there is the slightest foundation for any of them. We accept that , if there were any evidence, it should be fully and properly investigated. In the light of your failure to produce any evidence, however, the inevitable conclusion is that you have no evidence."

    AND HARRASING THEM ALSO!!

    "Your purpose appears to be to seek to intimidate and threaten him, perhaps to deter him from acting on behalf of IATA in support of their proper claims against an agency in default of its obligations."

    Check it out at...
    http://robertgreenandthemissingpieces.blogspot.com/2012/02/typical-response.html

    By gum there good over there!!

    But the simply truth is that whatever anyone has done...MR GREEN AND HIS COHORTS ARE NOT JUDGE AND JURY!!

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  152. Before barking too far up that particular tree...

    Trevor Sears is a partner in the law firm Davenport Lyons... As one of my businesses is a rights management company I.P. is one of my particular interests.

    They're 'LOVELY' people... As this video from the 'wildly out of control menaces' at the BBC reveals...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/12/davenport_lyons_threatening_le.html

    - NOT as if Mr Sears is exactly a dear sweet little old man who never said boo to a goose in his life...

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  153. Incidentally - 'big and all as they are' - In my opinion Davenport Lyons are one of the biggest colection of sheister-bullies in the country.

    Frankly the exchange with Green is a case of them not liking a taste of their own medicine. - They had no qualms about accuing a 70-odd year old couple of downloading gay porn films!!

    Type in the words 'Davenport Lyons investigated' to Google...

    THIS just about sums up the integrity of that Company in my view...

    http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/news/2077798/davenport-lyons-solicitors-guilty-professional-misconduct

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    1. Yes Matt....I understand.....but none of that is the point really is it?

      Their guilt is not to be decided by anyone other than "due process" as i believe it is called.

      Certainly not a marauding gang outside someone’s house!!

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    2. Surely you’re not suggesting anyone takes the law into their own hands Matt?

      Especially not someone as delusional as Robert?

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    3. That's one particular picture you can paint of it...

      I'd no more accept Sear's version of events at face value than I would a four pound note.

      Unfortunately Roger Cook and his ilk have something of a 'sin' to answer for in terms of influencing public perceptions of how the investigative press work to expose wrongdoings...

      I suspect Robert has digested rather too much 'Cook and Rumpole' in his time!!

      I agree his actions were not the way to go about things; I've rather been making that point for some time now in respect of Hollie's case...

      It doesn't make it 'ok' - But let's not pretend Sears was any kind of pure-as-the-driven 'victim'!

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  154. This reminds me of when I had Stafford police set on me a year ago, one of the Brian Gerrish campaign organisers lied to Stafford Police, accusing me of posting malicious emails, when I had done no such thing, in fact, i had written politly to the woman, asking her not to email me any more. The woman supposedly organised the Stafford anti child abuse conference, but I found it really hard to believe that she had managed to do all that herself, as she had told me and everyone that she was a woman in dire straights, and the event was particularly well organised, with a big buffet and drinks provided, all free.

    2 officers from Stafford Police came to my home, and I was shocked, as I had actually volunteered to help the woman, who had told everyone that Social Services were threatening to take away her unborn child. I asked to see the evidence of the malicious emails, but they told me that they had not even read them! It was very upsetting.

    I am not mentioning the womans name, as I don't fancy having Stafford police being sent on a malicious false errand and coming round my house again.

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  155. Upsetting as your experience was Barbara - consider the other side of the coin.

    Stafford Police received a complaint and investigated it. If only that had happened in Hollie's case.

    It's very possible they've gone back to the complainant and made it clear that wasting Police time is also a criminal offence. It's also almost certain that if the complainant was involved with Social Services to the degree she claims, that would have been flagged up to them. -If her claims were false that would also be readily apparent...

    Perhaps visiting you was simply a box-ticking exercise?

    But you're right not to mention her name.

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  156. I know, but I do think Stafford Police ought to have at least looked to see if the so called malicious emails actually existed before dashing round to my house.

    I won't mention her name, but it's on Ian Joseph's website. She was also running a web site encouraging people to slag Staffordshire Social Services as child stealing abusers. I know myself there is something seriously wrong with the West Midlands child protection, but, having been a service user in Stafford for many years I can confidentally and truthfully say that there are plenty of people working in Staffordshire Social Services who are working for childrens best interests. To label everyone willy nilly as wicked people when it is just a small group of people who are the problem is just wrong!

    Too many really weird things have happened, and I feel that certain people have been trying to put a ring through my nose and lead me in a particular direction.

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  157. None of rabblings here by Pyrites ever suspicious Zoomy have made me change my mind that
    1.Hollie was raped
    2.She was paid compensation
    3.Eva Harding indicated that she was a credible witness
    4.Her mother Anne was wrongly sectioned
    5.Her uncle died in suspicious circumstances
    6.Robert Greens treatment has been extraordinary
    7.The raid on Anne and Hollies home was totally ott
    8. Salmond and his friends have tried to cover up this case
    9. Angolinis fees and friendship to two sherrifs directly involved in this case
    10 The involvement of the thoughly unpleasant Levy Macrae
    11 The facebook link and the silence of those named by Mr Green
    12.Mark Dalys change of heart at 11.59
    13 There have been a strange band of people not believing it (fair enough) seem determined rather than get on with their lives decided to try to destroy it



    In themselves maybe not enough ,in the round it stinks

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    1. 1.Hollie was raped. CORRECT. That has been established and compensation has been paid. Unfortunately a case could not be put together. End.

      2.She was paid compensation. See above! Nothing unusual about that!

      3.Eva Harding indicated that she was a credible witness. Many possible answers to that one. But it does not prove the guilt of ANYONE! People make mistakes.

      4.Her mother Anne was wrongly sectioned. NO SHE WASN’T. However, again it does not prove ANYONE IS GUILTY OF THE ALEDGED CRIMES. And again, not if you look from the other side. Imagine a bunch of social workers being told that Hollie is at risk…which could easily be understood when her mom and some strange bloke is accusing all sorts….Although Hollies personal safety may not be at risk…it is perfectly reasonable that social workers intervene.

      5.Her uncle died in suspicious circumstances. NO HE DIDN’T. But again, it does not prove anything!!

      6.Robert Greens treatment has been extraordinary. Has it? Why? He has been trampling across the country accusing the most horrific crimes of certain individuals without real evidence. And you think it is bad that the law tries to stop him? Your losing it G!!

      7.The raid on Anne and Hollies home was totally ott. (Presume you mean odd?) No reply. Can't understand.

      8. Salmond and his friends have tried to cover up this case. Have they? PROVE IT!!! You can't because there is no proof!!

      9. Angolinis fees and friendship to two sherrifs directly involved in this case. So what?? She was the Lord Advocate for god sake!!

      10 The involvement of the thoughly unpleasant Levy Macrae. Means nothing but in your mind G!

      11 The facebook link and the silence of those named by Mr Green. Silence means nothing….i have already said to you G that just because someone is silent does not mean they are guilty. I would not comment either as it gives credibility to something that is plainly wrong!!

      12.Mark Dalys change of heart at 11.59 Why do you think he did change his mind G? Nothing rational like he found out that Robert Green was full of shit eh?

      13 There have been a strange band of people not believing it (fair enough) seem determined rather than get on with their lives decided to try to destroy it. There IS a band of rational individuals trying to protect the innocent and the venerable (Zoompad) from people like you!!!


      You have put together a bunch of circumstantial evidence, and on that basis you find people guilty! Your psychosis is even more pronounced than even I had imagined G.

      But why does your comment not surprise me - your programme system has been stuck for a long time. Try re-booting and reloading with another programme that allows you to expand your ability.

      Let go of your ego….i did!

      And take a look at the Winterbourne View case...on the news tonight!! That is real evidence. You wouldn't know it G if it hit you in the face! Even then you would probably deny it!

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    2. why did you let go of my ego?

      1.Hollie was raped. CORRECT. That has been established and compensation has been paid. Unfortunately a case could not be put together. End.

      Wasnt investigated with the vigor of this breach of the peace,in fact at ALL FAIL 1

      2.She was paid compensation. See above! Nothing unusual about that!


      Who said it was ,it merely reinforces point 1 a crime was commited which was not investigated


      3.3.Eva Harding indicated that she was a credible witness. Many possible answers to that one. But it does not prove the guilt of ANYONE! People make mistakes.

      apparently not you D,reinforces Hollie testimony that she was raped and who did it ,see nr 1 ,fail3

      4.Her mother Anne was wrongly sectioned. NO SHE WASN’T.

      ha ha how would you know d? Normal process in Aberdeen after a rape mother is sectioned father and"son" flle to Portugal

      Fail 4


      However, again it does not prove ANYONE IS GUILTY OF THE ALEDGED CRIMES. And again, not if you look from the other side. Imagine a bunch of social workers being told that Hollie is at risk…which could easily be understood when her mom and some strange bloke is accusing all sorts….Although Hollies personal safety may not be at risk…it is perfectly reasonable that social workers interve


      But a rape WAS commited fail




      5 .Her uncle died in suspicious circumstances. NO HE DIDN’T. But again, it does not prove anything!


      Ha ha Jesus Christ yes he did ,decided to burn himself fail5

      6.Robert Greens treatment has been extraordinary. Has it? Why? He has been trampling across the country accusing the most horrific crimes of certain individuals without real evidence. And you think it is bad that the law tries to stop him? Your losing it G!!


      Quote from the Sherrif and an e mail I have from a qc the most extraordinary case ,FAIL6

      7.The raid on Anne and Hollies home was totally ott. (Presume you mean odd?) No reply. Can't understand.


      No I meant OTT over the top breaking down doors on the word of a dwarf despite being told Anee was ok and was away for a few days FAIL7


      8. Salmond and his friends have tried to cover up this case. Have they? PROVE IT!!! You can't because there is no proof!!


      there is sufficient cause by their very actions ,as there is by yours,you sound desperate there ,fail8


      9. Angolinis fees and friendship to two sherrifs directly involved in this case. So what?? She was the Lord Advocate for god sake!! Handy that fail9


      10 10 The involvement of the thoughly unpleasant Levy Macrae. Means nothing but in your mind G!

      Ha ha I beg to differ fail 10


      1111 The facebook link and the silence of those named by Mr Green. Silence means nothing….i have already said to you G that just because someone is silent does not mean they are guilty. I would not comment either as it gives credibility to something that is plainly wrong!!


      Oh dear you told me eh,what happened to that ego,there is a link the cops said there wasnt fail 11


      12.Mark Dalys change of heart at 11.59 Why do you think he did change his mind G? Nothing rational like he found out that Robert Green was full of shit eh?

      or he got cold feet because he was warned off fail 12


      13 There have been a strange band of people not believing it (fair enough) seem determined rather than get on with their lives decided to try to destroy it. There IS a band of rational individuals trying to protect the innocent and the venerable (Zoompad) from people like you!!!

      ha ha that ego again d,you got your pound of flesh,Roberts guilty and you won all you said was true,fail 13

      You couldnt give a monkeys about zoompad

      She is a grown woman who can make up her own mind.


      I have come across the good the bad and the mad in this case but you are truly damaged goods , no wonder you had to become a multi id twat.

      Circumstantial yes,but true every stinking bit of it

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  158. Well, up until a few days ago I too believed all the above, but now the only people I believe in this who sad and terrible saga are Hollie and Anne Greig. I'm not God so I don't know all the truth, but I believe that Hollie Greig has been used in a truly dispicable way.

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  159. Here's is PROOF of another LIE by Robert Green....

    Well, as I said before I left, I have lost a hell of a lot of faith in Green. For those who may be interested (or who remember ), since I was last here I have been able to confirm (via a call to the Court of Session) that my suspicion that Green did not lodge a defence against the Interim Interdict brought by Buchanan (A72/10 Lord Emslie presiding) was correct. As I suspected (and as Basil had informed Tom George) the Interdict became final on the 25th of March. So on that one at least, Green was lying and Basil was telling the truth. There is one potentially strange thing regarding the Interdict. That is, why is there no record of it in the public domain? (You may tell Green I was bluffing him. ) I was told by the Court of Session that it would only appear on the new on-line database of decisions if the presiding judge (Lord Emslie presumably) had written it up. www.bailii.org... Somewhat strangely though, it also does not appear on the court rolls (11th of February or 25th of March, I have not yet checked all the entries around those dates). www.scotcourts.gov.uk... There may be something in this, as apparently the highly dubious (illegal?!) ‘sectioning’ style judgement against Andy McCardle (www.youtube.com...) did not appear on any court rolls. The young lady I spoke to at the Court of Session told me cases often do not appear while they are in progress. This could explain the omission on the 11th of February. However, it surely can’t explain why there is no mention of it on the 25th of March? If you want to verify the inconvenient truth regarding Robert’s Interdict for yourself, then you can call the Court of Session on 0131 240 6880 and quote the case number (A72/10), the pursuer (Buchanan), the defender (Green) and the presiding judge (Lord Emslie). You may have to remind them that Interdicts are public documents. You could also ask them why there is no mention of it on the court rolls.



    This is when Robert could have taken it to court. He lied to his team when he said he filled in the paperwork for it - he didn't - this was checked by a member of his team who doubted what they were being told by green. Did he not tell you about this? Well there's a surprise. Call the courts to confirm it if you like
    And if you go onto the timeline that HDJ produced, you can see that the 25th march is mentioned and green did not turn up.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread720999/pg3

    GETTING IT YET 6 M C K?

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  160. I knew about it , Shona told me , I dont care GET IT .

    There have plenty of liars in this case ,backstabbers and vermin, you are just one more on the list

    This case stinks to hell and back.

    Follie a deux ha ha ha

    Why are you so worried what I think,is it because you have a guilty conscience ?

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    1. Follie a deux?

      Yes i have heard of that...is that what you consider the main protagonist to be suffering from? You could be correct i guess.

      What is so amazing is the fact that you KNEW but DON'T CARE!!!

      In the face of mounting evidence you STILL believe in this case and the individuals involved!!

      Even you best mate Matt Quinn is having doubts now…or haven’t you read his posts G?

      And i don't care what you think G, you’re a nut job mate. But your posts need to be challenged so people can see the truth behind the bullshit.

      I have no idea what you’re talking about “guilty conscience”???

      But we wouldn't want anyone to be misled would we!

      Sure if they, like you, want to believe the bollox then that is their prerogative....and we can always recommend a reasonable therapist.

      Would you like me to recommend one for you G?

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    2. Tell me G...What do YOU think were the motives for Robert's behaviour and the lies he told?

      And what do you think the consequences are?

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    3. ha ha no yours clearly isnt working

      :)

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  161. The Hollie Greig case is massively complicated however there a small number of key FACTS

    1 Hollie, who has Downs Syndrome, alleged in 2000 that she had been raped by a paedophile gang in Aberdeen.

    2 Grampian Police did not interview any of the alleged abusers other than 2 of Hollie's family members on 1 occasion each. Neither did they interview any of the other persons named as victims.

    3 Grampian Police initiated the sectioning of Hollie's mother, Anne, who has never had any mental health problems within 2 weeks of Hollie making the allegations. Shortly afterwards, an independent psychiatrist produced a report declaring Anne perfectly sane.

    4 Hollie was awarded £13,500 from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority in spite of the fact that no-one was ever charged with any crime. The CICA considered a report from child psychologist Dr Eva Harding which declared that Hollie's allegations were wel founded.

    5 In 2009, the Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini wrote to newspapers warning them they would face legal action if they covered the Hollie Greig story.

    Even if every other statement made by Robert Green and Anne Greig is untrue, these 5 facts alone would lead the vast majority of people to believe that something very sinister indeed is going on.

    beautifully put

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    1. “The Hollie Greig case is massively complicated however there a small number of key FACTS “

      No it isn’t! It is quite the opposite. Hollie was probably abused by her Father and brother, just like 90% of most abuse cases. The rest is fantasy. How the fantasy was manufactured, is a very good question indeed!

      “1 Hollie, who has Downs Syndrome, alleged in 2000 that she had been raped by a paedophile gang in Aberdeen. “

      “2 Grampian Police did not interview any of the alleged abusers other than 2 of Hollie's family members on 1 occasion each. Neither did they interview any of the other persons named as victims.”

      Correct….why is that do you think? Do you really believe that if they thought there really was anything in this case, they would ignore it? Is no other reason (other than a bunch of devil worshiping paedophile elites) even possible? Not in the mind of the great “G” LOL!!!

      3 Grampian Police initiated the sectioning of Hollie's mother, Anne, who has never had any mental health problems within 2 weeks of Hollie making the allegations. Shortly afterwards, an independent psychiatrist produced a report declaring Anne perfectly sane.

      Same old same old G…..all reasonable explained in a reply to your last post!!

      4 Hollie was awarded £13,500 from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority in spite of the fact that no-one was ever charged with any crime. The CICA considered a report from child psychologist Dr Eva Harding which declared that Hollie's allegations were wel founded.

      Correct!! And once again all reasonable explained in a reply to your last post!! Oh and I would not be surprised if Hollie believes exactly what she has been told!! And believe me, you can be told something, without being TOLD something!! Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy! That’s just my opinion on how this fantasy may have come together.

      5 In 2009, the Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini wrote to newspapers warning them they would face legal action if they covered the Hollie Greig story.

      Correct!! How else are you supposed to protect innocent people? And you know what our redtops are like!! Once again G, nothing unusual there eh!

      Even if every other statement made by Robert Green and Anne Greig is untrue, these 5 facts alone would lead the vast majority of people to believe that something very sinister indeed is going on.

      I agree!! They would if there were not in receipt of the FULL FACTS!!

      Which is why individuals like you G must be opposed!!

      And stop coping and pasting everywhere G!! LOL

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    2. Which is why individuals like you G must be opposed!!

      And stop coping and pasting everywhere G!! LOL

      Ill do whatever I like pyshites ,and by the way pussy your words mean NOTHING because you are a fake id pussy whith no crdibility.

      I have met this I have done that , ha ha ha you are a pussy pretending to be something you are not.

      You are nobody, a blowhard a pussy :)

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  162. Something very sinister is going on, which is why gagging people is not going to help matters.

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    1. No one is gagge d here thats why Robert allows foolsgold to spout off this garbage


      ZP I have always had a good impression of Brian...probably the only one of the main protagonist that i haven't met. Although they wouldn't know me lol, i like to keep a low profile for this very reason. Not that i am scared, i am rather large and can take care of myself very well. But like most, i have vulnerable people around me....


      TAXI!

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    2. Where IS Robert? Probably sunning himself on some beach with all the money from the donate button - Belinda feeding him grapes - both wearing tin foil hats to keep away the aliens, and watching for the giant tsunami that will come ashore when the pole shifts for 2012

      Oh and I wouldn’t bother about Robert, you will probably need to hack it because

      ROBERT HAS FORGOTTON THE PASSWORD AND HOW TO DO IT LOL LOL

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    3. well as I havent given any money to that web page I would doubt as for hacking ,wouldnt know where to start , thats more your territory d is it not that and sending out pathetic desperate e mails :)

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    4. fg why dont you phone Robert and ask him ,have the debate with him, or are you too much of a pussy?

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  163. Nothing garbage about that G....Although after hearing about Belinda's polish acquaintances.....I AM BLOODY SCARED!!

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  164. Cynical as I am I need to raise a figurative eye and the degree of evangelism you're displaying Pyrite... Like the Hollie Greig case itself; over-egging isn't needed or useful...

    We ARE just over week from the pudding being proved

    - Either Robert will smell the coffee, recognise the error of his ways and construct an appropriate plea in mitigation...

    - OR he will confirm that Martyrdom is his goal by continuing to do everything possible to wind up the people who are about to pass sentence on him...

    At the end of the day it is irrefutable fact he has 'effed' things up royally - No matter what the deluded might prefer to believe...

    Hollie's rapists are untouchable. The case remains unreportable. And, continued along its current route, the matter of the official failings will become buried in conspiracy theory too...

    Conspiracy theory of course being quite a lucrative trade!


    6 M C KFeb 9, 2012 12:43 PM

    " Robert is probably going to jail in February harldly the actions of a money grapper"

    EXACTLY the actions of someone who wished to become a martyr on the conspiracy circuit. This was EXACTLY the tactic used by another of Belinda McKenzie's little 'projects', David Shayler...

    I'm afraid the awful truth is this woman's 'endeavors' do follow a patern. And Robert's behaviour to date fits that pattern.

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    1. I agree Matt, maybe i had a little too much "fun" with G.

      But he is simply better than "enders" any day!

      Like you say, we will see soon enough.

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  165. Ian McFerran recently posted this on Facebook, along with the names of the accused. Something Robert Green will shortly be going to jail for!

    “I find it strange that Robert Green was arrested for publicly naming the alleged pedo-gang after all legal avenues were closed to him but this website (among many other very good sites in support of Hollie's case) has never been shut down or the web-masters ordered to remove the content. Even those sites that are against Hollie's case and who published identical material have been left alone and no one approach them either, ordering that the material be removed.”

    THIS SHOWS ONCE AGAIN JUST HOW LITTLE THESE SO CALLED SUPPORTERS UNDERSTAND!

    “Interestingly, this publication (the leaflet Robert was denied the chance to distribute) was made BEFORE Robert was arrested. All very strange if you ask me!”

    Interestingly, leaflets WERE posted through doors in ABERDEEN in 2009!!!

    (Although Robert says he had not visited Aberdeen before 2010)

    Which is why the interdict was backdated IAN!

    Ian, open your eyes how long have you been on Hollie demands justice? There is a link on there and has been for 2 years!!

    Robert publicly named them all in Nov 2009 - then done the leaflet and gave it out GLW put up on his site and many others had it too, not just GLW!!

    Wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong AGAIN!!

    Can none of you supporters get anything correct in this case!!

    Because when you do….you will see it for the bullshit it is!!

    But your ego won’t let you….will it Ian!!



    “After all legal avenues were closed to him!”

    So what? Who the hell is he!!!

    If you have evidence of a crime, you give it to the police to investigate…END!

    Sure you can make complaints, and go down “other avenues” if you’re not happy but that does not give him the right to do what he did and take the law into his own hands!!

    Your just as blind as the others Ian!

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  166. Good morning everyone!

    The following is for the benefit of everyone but especially for Ian McFerren!

    OH AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF BELINDA MCKENZIE....WHO CALLED US TERRIBLE RESEARCHERS, HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR OWN BELINDA!!!!

    Green is alleged to have committed a breach of the peace between June 9, 2009, and February 12 this year in the Ferryhill, Bridge of Don, Bieldside and Woodside areas of Aberdeen.

    http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1608272

    GOT IT NOW IAN?!!!

    Also…

    Here… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bJAnR692U&feature=related at around 2.50 he says that he had never visited the city before.

    So how could he have investigated and interviewed people? He also admits he didn’t have the internet!!

    Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jgumP7rws# he was told in this video not to name anyone…he laughs and he admits it is all over the internet!! So if he didn’t do it (because he had no internet) once again he got someone else to put it up for him!! How very convenient!

    And isn’t it strange that NO ONE, not ROBERT, not BELINDA, NO ONE answers the many questions that now exist.

    In the eyes of "Hollies Army" that must mean they are GUILTY!

    There are so many holes in this case and so much hypocrisy it is truly sickening!!

    Money, money, money, money, money…..that’s what this is ALL ABOUT!!

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  167. Hey G.....just wondering....is this you?

    http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0911/fanatic-fanatic-crazy-churchill-demotivational-poster-1257637573.jpg

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  168. Pyrite...

    As one of the people who first started to 'open up' the questions over Ms McKenzie et al, I must - in the interests of balance - now express considerable disquiet at your own zeal in this matter.

    In particular I believe your last post simply wasn't necessary.

    A cogent disassembly and analysis is what is required. One of the key criticisms of the 'CT crowd' being the moulding and distortion of reality to fit their particular world view. Barking up EVERY tree you pass will inevitable ensure many are the wrong ones...

    Much has been made in various places about the service of the interdict...

    The Penalty for breach of interdict is provided by section 15 of the Contempt of Court Act. The maximum penalty is 3 months or a level 4 fine.

    Well - IF the interdict HAD been served properly WHY have we just seen Green prosecuted for Breach of the Peace and NOT Contempt of court?

    - Likewise there are (potentially) cases against both Both Robert Green, Greg Lance-Watkins and possibly others in respect of breaching the sexual offences act. - It's illegal to name the victim or alleged victim of a sex crime.

    Certain people are stupidly bleating about the lack of a jury and how if some crackpot pseudo-solicitor had been involved there would have been no summary trial - Patent nonsense because BOP is a summary cause... That's the point of it!

    IF there is not something 'iffy' about his prosecution why take him down this dubious BOP route? A number of people I've spoken to - who know far more about these things than I - feel the prosecution's case was relatively weak...

    Green was prosecuted because he stupidly tried to steer the trial along a route that it was never going to be allowed to go... In just COULD never go...

    And when he was 'set up' (as I believe he was) on the Breach of the Peace charges, the legal experts who instigated this could be in no possible dount that they were 'railroading' the man...

    That does NOT absolve Green from lying. And it does make a nonsense of the attempts to paint Bowen as being in cahoots with Angiolini...

    Like Roger Cook with his apparent 'bull at a gate' journalism. - Sachi and Sachi have much to answer for in terms of 'emplacing' the notion that spin and deception are legitimate means of advancing a cause...

    So yes - Green is a long way from being as pure as the driven snow; and yes, absolutely he has and he continues to lie. Whether that's down to delusion, dishonesty or desperation remains to be seen.

    He really NEEDS to 'straighten up and fly right'; and he still has the chance to do that WITHOUT abandoning Hollie's cause OR the case against Angiolini...

    Will he take it?

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    1. Dale is a bunny boiler mate ,ignore :)

      poor ref :(

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